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Re: The Reactive Power, Does It Important For Us
« Reply #140 on: April 16, 2011, 11:17:27 PM »
ah, ganun po pala....hehe
bale po, yung ginagawa ng mga power system engineers sa pag compute ng ampacity ng lines eh assumed na unity pf na?

ganon po, before mag-layout ng plan ng linya dapat may study na sa magiging load nito @ unity pF, 5 to 10yrs po ang load projection dito plus allowances depende sa projected economic plan ng isang lugar kung saan ito mag-susupply ng electricity, para hindi palaging palit ng conductors o upgrade malaki kasi ang magiging gastosin dito, pwedeng maging waste lahat yong unang materiales.
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« Reply #141 on: April 16, 2011, 11:22:31 PM »
ah, ganun po pala....hehe
bale po, yung ginagawa ng mga power system engineers sa pag compute ng ampacity ng lines eh assumed na unity pf na?

ung ampacity depende yan sa load schedule, may loads na unity ang pf (heating) meron namang lower pf (low rpm motors).

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Re: The Reactive Power, Does It Important For Us
« Reply #142 on: April 16, 2011, 11:26:29 PM »
nalilito na ako....sa mga lessons po kasi namin eh pag mababa yung power factor, tataas yung current na dadaloy....may mali ata sa analysis ko..hehehe..sabi na nga ba eh, dapat di ko na ginamit yung tanduay..tsk! hehe

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« Reply #143 on: April 17, 2011, 12:00:53 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D

ganito naman sa usapang tanduay....di ba kung plano nating maglasing bibili tayo ng tanduay at coke (chaser) pero ang sinisiguro natin na kaya nating e load o iinumin ay yong tanduay at yong coke.

yong real power don yong tanduay at ang pf ay yong coke, pero yong coke ay pang chaser lang ang nakakalasing talaga ay yong tanduay. lasingan naman ang plano, so kung pwede maliit lang yong coke at marami yong tanduay. di ba lugi pag marami kanang maiinom na coke halos isang litro na at wala pang tama sa tanduay? ;D

so sa pagbibigay ng tagay dapat minimize lang yong coke at marami yong tanduay, para hindi lugi sa lasingan.  ;D

ganon sa din sa pagbibigay ng power dapat minimize lang yong pF, para hindi lugi sa mamahaling power plants at sa mga substations investments. kaya hindi pwede magbibigay yong power producer sa mababang pF dahil lugi kasi siya dito.


pero tama yong sa inyo kung ang pag-uusapan ay transformer, na pwedeng masunog ang isang 1000VA na transformer sa 100Watts lang na load dahil sa pF na yan.

sa tanduay na usapan ito, uminom ng apat na litrong coke yong gustong maglasing isang baso lang ang ininom niyang tanduay kaya yon nags*s*ka dahil sa sobrang coke  ;D


...pero yong sa transmission line yong rated current lang sinisiguro rito  :).
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« Reply #144 on: April 17, 2011, 12:36:25 AM »
^ heto para mas klaro ng konti

pagnagbibili kasi ang power producer ng power transformer, in terms of VA ang price nito, nasa mga 2 million yata per MVA ang investment niya rito. (note its VA) pero ang metro natin ay kWh (Watts)

compute nyo ang current rating ng ng power transformer na 1MVA at compute nyo rin ang current ng 0.5MW sa 0.5pf? tapos compute nyo ang current sa 1MW sa 1.0 pf? tingnan nyo saan mas makakabawi ang power producer sa investment niya?

remember nyo na we are paying in kWh (Watts). malalaman din ninyo dito kung bakit ayaw nil;a ng mababang pF.

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« Reply #144 on: April 17, 2011, 12:36:25 AM »

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Re: The Reactive Power, Does It Important For Us
« Reply #145 on: April 17, 2011, 12:46:13 AM »
^ Kapag ba mababa ang pf mo that's translate to heat or should we say(system loss)?
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« Reply #146 on: April 17, 2011, 01:08:01 AM »
^ heat loss in a sense na pwedeng mag-overload yong transformer na walang lakas (Watts) itong nagawa.

system loss na din ito due to I^2R loss in any system equipment, pero ang generators na connected sa isang power system ay pwedeng mag-adjust sa nakikita nitong overall pF ng system.
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Re: The Reactive Power, Does It Important For Us
« Reply #147 on: April 17, 2011, 07:47:54 AM »
^ Kapag ba mababa ang pf mo that's translate to heat or should we say(system loss)?

not heat but energy storage.....

losses are incurred during transmission, a low power factor means higher current for the same voltage, this current flows thru transmission lines, and so keeping the power factor higher means lower current is required for the same power and therefore higher efficiency in trasmitting power...

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« Reply #148 on: April 17, 2011, 12:19:28 PM »
ano naman kaya ang capacitor banking sa tanduay analogy ng power system? ;D

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Re: The Reactive Power, Does It Important For Us
« Reply #149 on: April 17, 2011, 12:25:21 PM »
ano naman kaya ang capacitor banking sa tanduay analogy ng power system? ;D

yan yung humahamig ng bula......

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« Reply #150 on: April 18, 2011, 06:27:18 AM »
yan yung humahamig ng bula......

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Re: The Reactive Power, Does It Important For Us
« Reply #151 on: April 18, 2011, 07:23:07 PM »
mga sir tanong lang po...related po ba sa power system engineering work niyo ngayon?

ask lang sana ako kung anong magandang pag-aralan or ano ang trend ngayon sa ganitong field ng electrical engineering? para mapaghandaan ko naman... ;D

or anong field ngayon ang magandang pagtuunan ng pansin...tnx po...

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« Reply #152 on: April 18, 2011, 07:58:44 PM »
mga sir tanong lang po...related po ba sa power system engineering work niyo ngayon?

ask lang sana ako kung anong magandang pag-aralan or ano ang trend ngayon sa ganitong field ng electrical engineering? para mapaghandaan ko naman... ;D

or anong field ngayon ang magandang pagtuunan ng pansin...tnx po...

masterin mo to, para kana ring may experience:
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Re: The Reactive Power, Does It Important For Us
« Reply #153 on: April 18, 2011, 08:07:52 PM »
mga sir tanong lang po...related po ba sa power system engineering work niyo ngayon?

ask lang sana ako kung anong magandang pag-aralan or ano ang trend ngayon sa ganitong field ng electrical engineering? para mapaghandaan ko naman... ;D

or anong field ngayon ang magandang pagtuunan ng pansin...tnx po...

lumang technology na to, sa mga kumuha ng course ng electrical engineering, tinuro sa mga subjects ito...

electric tricycles, ito ang kailangan ng ating bansa ngayon, laking tipid sa fossil fuel kung merong makapagdedevelop nito...

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Re: The Reactive Power, Does It Important For Us
« Reply #154 on: April 18, 2011, 08:31:18 PM »
masterin mo to, para kana ring may experience:
http://www.electrical-installation.org/wiki/Main_Page

wahehe....nakapunta na ko sa link na to dati....di ko napansin yung "Electrical Installation Guide Summary" ....ok sir...pagkatapos ng board exam iisa-isahin ko to...hehe
lumang technology na to, sa mga kumuha ng course ng electrical engineering, tinuro sa mga subjects ito...

electric tricycles, ito ang kailangan ng ating bansa ngayon, laking tipid sa fossil fuel kung merong makapagdedevelop nito...

bakit po tricycles pa? pwede naman po bus nalang, marami pa ang makakasakay...at hindi po ba parang walang pinagkaiba? i mean na electricity na ang gagamitin natin para sa transportation pero tataas naman ang fuel consumption ng mga generating plants..mabuti po sana kung puro renewable ang sources natin like geothermal or hydro..

at hindi ko po alam kung ano mas efficient in terms of energy conversion.. yung chemical to mechanical ( gasolina/diesel  to engine) or chemical to electrical (coal/diesel to electricity)..assuming lang po na coal power plant...

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« Reply #155 on: April 18, 2011, 08:49:03 PM »
okay yong link ni iYo Karpo  ;)

...maganda talaga magsimula sa beginning  ;D  tapos pataas sa mga trends kung saan mo gustong mag-specialize   ;)  sa nakikta ko kasi napakalawak ang mundo ng electrical kaya okay kung may field of specialization. Sampol "transformer specialist" o di kaya "insulation specialist" o "transmission lines specialist" yong mga ganon  :) masters o phd's okay rin....

personal opinion ko lang...
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« Reply #156 on: April 18, 2011, 08:58:37 PM »
i want to try "protection relaying"....hehe...

yung "metering specialist" po madami na po dito sa amin eh...yung mga tumitingin sa kW-hr meter...talagang specialist kasi nakatayo lang sila sa ilalim ng poste tapos kita na ang reading ng meter na ang layo sa kanila eh mga about 10feet...

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« Reply #157 on: April 18, 2011, 09:07:05 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D

naku malawak din yang field ng metring sa electrical... try to read about telemetering, wireless metering ng data acquisitions ng SCADA  ;) sa US yata kaya nilang e meter 18 to 50 stations in real time  :o

dito sa atin may nakita ako 5 stations palang, tapos pagtinanong mo kung totoo ba yan? sasabihin ba namang... ewan ko kung minsan nawawala kasi ang mga data sir hahaha!

pinakamahirap yata na field yang gusto mo "protection relaying"  :)  
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« Reply #158 on: April 18, 2011, 09:34:19 PM »
di po ba nandyan yung mga PLCs? medyo interested po ako dyan eh...

Protection relaying po kasi ang report ko sa subject namin dati...(Ang babaw ng rason ko ;D ;D :D) mukhang interesting po at halatang halata na mahirap...hehe... Kasi po sa tingin ko bihira lang ang specialty eh protection relaying kaya yun ang gusto kong pag aralan para maliit lang kakompetensya ko sa trabaho... just like one of the reasons why i took the EE course.. ;D ;D

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« Reply #159 on: April 18, 2011, 09:46:24 PM »
PLC as in powerline communication ba? o proglogic controller?

kung hilig mo talaga yang relaying okay yan, tama kayo bihira lang ang mga protection engineer,  dito sa atin siguro nasa mga sampu lang magagaling dito at kahit na sa ibang bansa bihira lang ang may kakayahan niyan.  ;)
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