Feasible kaya?>> Motorcycle engine + Alternator + Charger + Deep Cycle Battery..

[fallen_angel_M]

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Mga Bossing, hihingi po sana ako ng mga suggestions, comments and advises sa idea ko po.

Feasible po kaya yung paggamit ng motorcycle engine (para tipid sa gas) to power up an alternator to produce electricity to charge a deep cycle battery then using an inverter to produce an AC to power any appliances during brownouts or better kung puedeng alternative as another source of electricity para di na aasa sa mga electric companies....

Note:Hindi po ako engineer at lalong hindi po ako electrician pero may konting background po ako sa electronics.

Maraming Salamat sa magssuggest at magaadvise. 

 

[marky2007]

Hello there,

For me ndi advisable.Y? kc gagamit k p din ng engine eh.much better if my alternative way k para makaproduce ng electricity like ung  mga fuelless n generator.

[aeronuts]

@ TS.


Yes pede... yan ang next project ko actually... I am planning to use my old scooter engine (4stroke)... actually my initial plan is to use an alternator... but i change it into something useful instead of alternator.. inverter na lang. Now problem kung bakit hindi kpo magawa pa right now... but as soon as my schedules clears up., i might start the project...


Keep in mind the word "safety" , also bear in mind that yo must have somebody who is knowledgeable to help and assist you.

[insomartin]

i think a 'baketa' generator from raon is a better option.

but if you would put a fan belt sa motor (DON'T WRECK YOUR MOTOR CYCLE and REMOVING IT'S engine... it's fun to ride and go places anyways.) gawa ka nang mount/Stands for that purpose then why not. cooling din nang motor mo, and muffler... that's i think na pwede maging issue mo.

[aeronuts]

sir martin

Actually the old motorcycle i am planning to dismantle was already wrecked... only the engine is recoverable and this actually was carnapped and when it was recovered more items are missing like Shocks, Brakes system plus the badly bent frame... anyway the issue is already settled and i have my new motorcycle as part of amicable settlement... When i started the engine sa engine stand ng mechanic ko ok naman... anyway i am planning to make it as generator or some sort of water pump sa small rice field... Now ang problem that i am thinking right now are:
1. How to make an engine governor using PIC.
2. Engine RPM or Constant Voltage Out control? or both?


Sayang actually kung i junk ko lang ang some bakal bote guys binabarat sa  2K for the wrecked motorcycle. Since ok pa namana ng engine i might push the project later pag natapos na ako sa mga projects...

[fallen_angel_M]

Salamat sa mga nagreply....

@aeronuts

Sana ma update mo ko sa next project mo. Interesado talaga ako.

Isang question lang, pwedeng pakiexplain kung pano mag ggenerate ng electricity yung inverter without the use of alternator? Basic lang po kasi knowledge ko about inverter.

 

[insomartin]

may heavy duty @ 20kg/cm servos. (which i actually used sa THROTTLE nang marine engine. training center) pero yung tig 900 is i think ok na din for that purpose.

using a pic 16f628 should be enough. constant voltage then rev limited. tas overload alarm. siguro madali na natin i tweak yun that way.

[fallen_angel_M]

@marky2007

As of now medyo may kamahalan yung mga fuelless na generator or power source like solar panels and wind turbine. kaya naisip ko yung motorcycle engine na surplus.

[aeronuts]

@ Sir martin
Thanks sa idea... tapusin ko lang muna project ko then para may ma accomplish ako ngayon year na ito... Nasa Serial LCD pa ako then next ko na ang Super probe., then next ko na ang diy genset...
@Fallen

Sir bale ganito ang operations nya... Battery -> Inverter na 220V/ 1000 watts...pede na rin ang UPS na sira. I prefer UPS kasi malinis na ang output as compare sa inverter lang. Ang purpose ng engine is to give charge sa battery that supplies power to the inverter. The engine drives an alternator that maintains battery state of charge. medyo naka idle lang ang motor let say sa 1800RPM, so yun lang ang function nya i maintain the battery's charge conditions. Meron ako nakita sa cebu na ang ginamit naman nila e yung parang kubota na agri engine... tapos kinabit sa dynamo... napansin ko lang na pag tumataas ang electrical load... nahihirapan si engine...

[pathfinder4wd]

curious lang,
bakit need mo ng alternator na low voltage DC (12 or 24V?) then gagamitan mo pa ng inverter to step up to household AC voltage?

why not hanap ka na lang ng AC generator na lang?  lesser part, more efficient since less energy transfer

[marcelino]

curious lang,
bakit need mo ng alternator na low voltage DC (12 or 24V?) then gagamitan mo pa ng inverter to step up to household AC voltage?

why not hanap ka na lang ng AC generator na lang?  lesser part, more efficient since less energy transfer

another issue nga naman to...

sensible kasi di pa ako nakakakitang ganun na setup [engine - generator - battery - inverter].

i'm just subscribing...

[insomartin]

alternator ----- > battery management ----->> storage battery --------->>> inverter
                                                                       |
                                                                       L------------------->>> direct use

sa mga diy eto talaga yung standard. kahit sa solar panels.

[fallen_angel_M]

Mga Sirs,

Pwede po bang icompute kung ilang litro ng gas ang kakailanganin para ma full charge ang deep cycle battery 100AH capacity using this setup:

motorcycle engine > alternator > battery

[fallen_angel_M]

@pathfinder4wd

sa pagkakaintindi ko po.... correct nalang po ako kung mali. Yung AC generator ay direct sa mga AC appliances, kung madami yung naka load.. nahihirapan yung AC generator at kung konti naman, parang nasasayang yata yung nagegenerate na power. So dito po papasok yung setup na engine > alternator > battery > inverter para mas efficient ang paggamit ng power.

Eto po eh sa sariling opinyon ko lamang. Uulitin ko baka po mali pakicorrect nalang. 

[aeronuts]

meron ako kasi nakita somewhere sa quaipo, na meron ganun setup... andun ang engine control sa loob kasama na ng inverter., e plan ko gayahin...



anyway plan ko ito soon...

[pathfinder4wd]

ah I see,

main power supply pala is from batteries.  tapos un engine to charge the batts.

mukhang mas mahal yata magagastos sa gasolina?

[fallen_angel_M]

^ tama po sa batteries ang main power supply.

Kaya po yung unang tanong ko po kung feasible po ba yung motorcycle engine ang gamitin kaysa sa mga ibang AC generator na by galloons ang dapat ikarga para magamit ng ilang oras... Sa pagkakaalam ko matipid sa gas ang motorcycle engine... ang isa pang tanong kung kakayanin nyang mag charge ng deep cycle batteries using alternator at kung gaano katagal mafull charge. At yung last gaano kadami ang gasolina ang kakailanganin.

[validsilva]

sirs, kung gusto ko lng pong makatipid ng kuryente and ganito and set-up, posible po kaya? alin po ang magiging actual load ko, yung 125 watts o yung 975 watts?