Is our ECE license still important? I really hope so....for your comments

[kazekage]

I'd just like to hear your comments about a situation that I have experienced working in a 2G/3G telecoms company here in the country.  I've noticed that a certain telecoms company doesn't seem to recognize a licensed ECE personnel to those who have no license.  Even the renewal of our ECE licenses are not reimbursed by the company but when we renew our driver's license, we get to be reimbursed. 

In upgrades and promotions, we get to see unlicensed (or even those who didn't finish with the ECE course), get promoted ahead of those with valid licenses.  In a power company I worked with before, technicians aiming to hold jobs in engineer status, are really required to take the ECE exams and obtain a license before they get considered for the position.  Here, all of you are viewed as equals, and since some do not have the proper background the end result would be a guy tagged as Senior Telecoms Engineer who does not even understand the relationship between frequency and wavelength. There's actually nothing wrong with this if this was not a telecommunications company (in some rare situations i.e. dealing with geniuses, etc). 

And also, I think this has a negative impact on people about acquiring a ECE license.  They might get the impression that getting a license is not needed and furthermore, what would be the use of upgrading our licenses to professional status (PECE) if this practice is not stopped or corrected?


 

[spidamang]

I think licence is a requirement in GOCCs and Government Agencies. I don't know about private companies. In my humble opinion the ECE law was developed for the regulation of professionals in communications industry (this is just me jumping to conclusions as to why ECE license numbers are broadcasted during station sign off   ) Parang dito ko lang nakikita na needed ang license eh.

Siguro the law just didn't catch up with the developments in the field. Napakabroad ng ECE and I don't think the board exam could cover the whole field. They should have made "specialty boards" yung bang kung gusto mong mag specialize sa isang field in order for our licenses to hold weight.

Or maybe siguro, ginawa nilang parang doktor na may medical board, tapos may residency. or something like that.

[0b00000111]

sa amin, technicians can acquire engineer's status pag nakita ng management na skilled ka. fair enough, ok lang sa akin yun basta ang promotion ay na gain through hard work hinde sa pasipsipan at sa tagal ng stay sa company...

[krayziebone]

sa mga companies ngayon, skills na ang hinahanap.. marami akong kakilala na kahit na wala silang degree, matataas yung position nila sa isang company.

meron din naman kasing mga licensed ECE na wala pa talagang alam.. kaya siguro ganun.. pero pagnag-apply ang dalawang tao, isang licensed ECE at yung isa hindi, tapos parehong fresh grad, syempre, mas nakaka-angat yung licensed. pero kung ang employer ay technically oriented, tinest niya yung dalawa technically, yung hindi licensed naman ang mas skilled. sino ngayon sa dalawa ang pipiliin?

[kamote]

From the other thread that i've read and have discussion with, mukang sa broadcasting at pagtayo lang ng mga cell site kailangan ang ECE license.  

Pansin ko lang na sa mga engineers na nasa telcos ngayon ay masyado silang nagiging reliable sa mga engineers or minsan technicians ng mga vendors at supplier nila .  Grabe rin kasi ang pulitika sa pagsupply ng mga equipment, parang na si-ZTE.  Grabe rin lagayan, ang ending hindi masyadong naeenhance mga planning skills ng inhouse design engineers ng mga telcos, kadalasan redundant na lang kinalalabasan ng equipment.  Tapos pagdating ng equipment, mga vendor nagkoconfigure, nagiinstall, mga inhouse engineer walang natutunan, pati pagbasa ng datasheet at pagfamiliarize ng technology kinatatamaran.



pareng kazekage bosconian ka 'no?  

[penny]

Though I do not get to use my license at work or elsewhere(Other than for presenting valid ID's hehehe) I still strongly beleive that if your a registered engineer you still have an advantage, given a circumstance wherein an employer chooses between two employees of the same caliber(knowledge and capability) but differ only in being licensed or not. BUT being licensed does not give you any right to underestimate others who are not, Along with your privilege  of being licensed comes your responsibility to prove your worth the title of being an engineer. IMHO if an unlicensed person gets chosen over someone who is licensed maybe the later deserves it because the employee may see something in him that he doesn't see in the other. A job position doesn't just depend on your title or educational background, there is more to that, experience and skills are valued  too.   

[0b00000111]

Though I do not get to use my license at work or elsewhere(Other than for presenting valid ID's hehehe) I still strongly beleive that if your a registered engineer you still have an advantage, given a circumstance wherein an employer chooses between two employees of the same caliber(knowledge and capability) but differ only in being licensed or not. BUT being licensed does not give you any right to underestimate others who are not, Along with your privilege  of being licensed comes your responsibility to prove your worth the title of being an engineer. IMHO if an unlicensed person gets chosen over someone who is licensed maybe the later deserves it because the employee may see something in him that he doesn't see in the other. A job position doesn't just depend on your title or educational background, there is more to that, experience and skills are valued  too.   

wow! agree ako jan...+1 pogi points for you

[penny]

yehey!!!! 

[krayziebone]

tumpak na tumpak!

[beginner wan]

hhhhhmmmmm... opinyon po ng isang estudyante..

hindi ko alam kung san ako lalagay, una, di pa ko nag-bo-board.. graduating palang ako at mukang next march pako mag-te-take.. di pako ready..hehehehehe...

sabi ng isang prof ko na mahusay sa MCUs.. di naman daw talaga masyado kailangan ng license. may mga ka-batch daw sya na may mataas na posisyon sa kumpamya nila na kahit walang License. siguro nga kailangan, pro hindi lagi, maybe an advantage, pro hindi kasiguraduhan sa pinagta-trabahuhan..

 

[paranz]

ECE license is overrated. Its all about skills!!

i would trade my license (as well as the PRC ID) in exchange for
1. Born2bewired's expertise on RF design
2. Motion55's digital and analog design skill as well as MCU programming
3. 7String's PCB design skill
4. Glutnix_neo's SMPS design expertise
5. Zerow1ng's MCU-based design experiences
6. etc

SKILLS! Give me SKILLS or give me death hehe


*andrama ko no! 

 

[kazekage]

@kamote...yes po...isa po akong bosconian

Thanks for your sharing your comments and ideas.  I have nothing against people who are unlicensed and yet they possess the necessary skills that the company needs.  I agree that skills should be considered more than just possessing a license.  Its just a bit sad knowing that being a licensed ECE does not carry much weight.  Maybe conducting ECE licensure exams should be re-considered or trashed na lang...

[mArKhAo]

so, what's much more better? to have a license?
or not? 

[krayziebone]

to have a license as well as the skills.. 

[spidamang]

SKILLS! Give me SKILLS or give me death hehe

I have a question that needs an honest answer.

If you acquire your skills by teaching yourself through google, forums like this, and experimenting on your own, would companies consider this when evaluating you for a job? Will the DIY hobby projects you do on your free time have the same effect as portfolios graphic artists/web designers do to get jobs?

Because I honestly need to find a way to make myself eligible for an Electronics job. Puro data processing trabaho ko since graduating. 

cheers.

[0b00000111]

I have a question that needs an honest answer.

If you acquire your skills by teaching yourself through google, forums like this, and experimenting on your own, would companies consider this when evaluating you for a job? Will the DIY hobby projects you do on your free time have the same effect as portfolios graphic artists/web designers do to get jobs?

Because I honestly need to find a way to make myself eligible for an Electronics job. Puro data processing trabaho ko since graduating. 

cheers.

i think kahit saan mo naacquire yung skills mo basta you can apply it right, walang problema doon i think... for me honestly, mas mabuti yung taong kaya nyang matuto by himself and through any means, at least you can see the initiative and resourcefulness... I saw some resume na may personal technical projects section na nilalagay nila from their DIY projects... basta wag lang ilalagay yung tipong mga running lights na project... heheheh

[4XFOUR]

keep the license enhance ur skills... to get good job good money and good reference for possible highest position(ur ECE license) in the future..

[rdpzycho]

I am licensed but have no use of it (except additional VALID ID) 

most companies will look at your skills..develop it anywhere then learn some things professionally (nung nag-aral akong magprogram ng MCU ang pakialam ko lang umaandar yung program ko..ngayon kailangan ko nang isipin kung paano pagkakasyahin yung malaking program sa maliit na space..)..a lot of good books can help..

madalas sa telecommunications na lang mahalaga yung license (yung pa yung na-drop ngayon Electronics Engr na lang  )..take the board to test your knowledge..nung nag-board ako hindi ko sineryoso pag-aaral..pag pumasa kasi ako ng tulad nung mga buong araw nagreview (no offense meant) hindi ko masusukat kung ano talaga yung alam ko..

[FTD_ECE_01]

im a licensed ECE and for me it's important to have the license but its not an assurance of having a good job and better life...for me, diskarte parin sa buhay. dito sa atin, if you apply on a government agency, license is an advantage...sometimes a must...but for private, its not so important.

[aj888]

I guest license is not important when it comes to work. But when it comes to motivation dun yun pumapasok kung license ka at yung kariban mo wala.. wat r u going to do? just let him win the fight no ofcourse kase may alaga ka eh na di dapat madungisan.

So I guest its more on Pride and ofcourse motivation to protect your name as Licensed Engineer....