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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2010, 05:10:01 PM »
Iilan na lang kasi yung magagaling sa circuit design na mga instructors sa mga schools ngayon kaya mahirap makakuha ng guidance sa pagdedesign lalo na sa mga beginners. And isa pang dahilan ay yung kulang at kung mayroon man gamit na pang-electronics ay di naman pinapagamit hanggang display lang. Pano kaya gaganahan matuto if ganuun ang nangyayari.
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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2010, 05:25:25 PM »
^^6.99impakta,

I think maganda talaga meron mag initiate para mabago ang ganitong sistema sa school...

minsan gusto ko ring mag initiate, create some sketchup video tutorials on the phases of development para sa mga students, kasi nakikita ko nga maraming students ang di alam kung paano sisimulan ang isang design... kaso baka tawanan lang ako ng mga masters dito :( so I guess, ang pinakamaganda gumawa nito ay si Tita Boy ;D because malapit siya kay tita henry at dahil ang E-Gizmo ay mas may say sa mga design and application of theories... ;D
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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2010, 05:25:25 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2010, 05:36:08 PM »
same observation. iilang graduates lang ang gusto sa circuit design, at madalas kapag nalaman ng mga kaklase mo or kabatch mo na nasa circuit design ka, super geek ang tingin sayo, parang hindi na siya norm ngayon. 3 ang karaniwang napupuntahan ng mga graduates ngayon, System Integration, IT/Software Engineering, at Call Center.

it may not be bad, pero sa tingin ko hindi rin siya totally good. madalas kasi 'yung natitira sa design, lumalabas pa ng Pilipinas, (we can't blame them dahil medyo mababa nga ang sahod dito).

sabi nga ng isang Telco na may pinapagawa sa amin "'yung Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia may sarili na sila, tayo wala pa."

mukhang kasama ako dito sa mga graduates tinutukoy nyo sir rdpzycho. ;D

minsan kasi pag ang tao nasa "out of comfort zone" natataranta na, so mas hinihingi nila yung madaling solusyon, w/c is yung paghingi ng mga schematic at source code ;D ;D ;D siguro dapat din silang iguide na, tipong "let's build it up step by step." pag di nag-agree, bahala na sila sa buhay nila... maghanap sila ng gagawa ;D  

indirectly, isa rin sa may kasalanan nito is yung school, di man lamang nagtuturo kung paano ang stages ng development from conceptualization/analysis of requirements/design/implementation/testing and deployment, madalas self-discovery na lang ng mga estudyante ito... at sa mga companies na lang madalas matututunan ito.

sadly this is true, well from my experience anyway. especially with schools that focus more deeply on theory than in application, madalas walang projects therefore di na appreciate what they are learning. :(

on topic: The problem with students nowadays is that they are afraid to initiate (i was like this before :-[), which leads them to go the easy way, asking for the whole project at once. This may stem from a lack of interest on the student's part and the school for not cultivating the interest in their students. As one quote I remember "Discipline and concentration are a matter of being interested." So get interested! ;D

Recently I've been reading more about a topic that I'm interested in than ask a question instantly. Only when I hit a slide, is when I ask (di ko na kaya ;D). I am not a master, nor even an apprentice. But one good advice I've learned while being in this forum is to use Google (or Blackle ;D). Marami ako walang naiintindihan dito dati (kahit ngaun ;)) but I always used Google to help me, and some ebooks. :)

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2010, 05:49:15 PM »
I believe yung present educational system natin is mainly to blame. It seems to me our educational institutions are no longer after quality education. Masyado ng commercialized and mas priority nila ang kikitain.

Katulad ng trimester system (i heard some are even contemplating making it quadmester,  quad core?). I think this is a bad idea. The direct consequence na nakikita ko dito is the students are much hard pressed. They are being forced to accomplish so much in too little time. Wala na silang time to put in practice yung mga bagay bagay na natutunan sa school. Bookies (ng karera?) ang kauuwian ng mga ito. They know the theories but do not know how to apply it. Hilaw na graduates.

In fact, kadalasan, pati sa thesis nila wala na silang time. Kaya nagiging flourishing business ngayun ang paggawa ng thesis. :(
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2010, 05:49:15 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2010, 05:54:16 PM »
I believe yung present educational system natin is mainly to blame. It seems to me our educational institutions are no longer after quality education. Masyado ng commercialized and mas priority nila ang kikitain.

Katulad ng trimester system (i heard some are even contemplating making it quadmester,  quad core?). I think this is a bad idea. The direct consequence na nakikita ko dito is the students are much hard pressed. They are being forced to accomplish so much in too little time. Wala na silang time to put in practice yung mga bagay bagay na natutunan sa school. Bookies (ng karera?) ang kauuwian ng mga ito. They know the theories but do not know how to apply it. Hilaw na graduates.

In fact, kadalasan, pati sa thesis nila wala na silang time. Kaya nagiging flourishing business ngayun ang paggawa ng thesis. :(

Quartermesters do exist, Mapua practices it. I think the main philosophy behind is, bahala na students sa buhay nila anyway, nagbayad naman sila na ng tuition. Pagdating sa workplace, bahala sila matuto.

Saan ka ba nakakita na yung Calculus eh aralin mo lang ng less than 3 months! Yung Electronics ay ganun din! DC analysis nga ng Boylestad eh kulang ang isang sem para madiscuss lahat, eh aralin mo kaya at intindihin yan sa less than 3 months!

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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2010, 05:55:38 PM »
I believe yung present educational system natin is mainly to blame. It seems to me our educational institutions are no longer after quality education. Masyado ng commercialized and mas priority nila ang kikitain.

Katulad ng trimester system (i heard some are even contemplating making it quadmester,  quad core?). I think this is a bad idea. The direct consequence na nakikita ko dito is the students are much hard pressed. They are being forced to accomplish so much in too little time. Wala na silang time to put in practice yung mga bagay bagay na natutunan sa school. Bookies (ng karera?) ang kauuwian ng mga ito. They know the theories but do not know how to apply it. Hilaw na graduates.

In fact, kadalasan, pati sa thesis nila wala na silang time. Kaya nagiging flourishing business ngayun ang paggawa ng thesis. :(

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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2010, 06:02:44 PM »
yup! quarter sem sucks! naranasan ko yan pero buti na lang malapit na ako grumaduate nung time na yun... mas magastos pa kung tutuusin! :(
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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2010, 06:23:50 PM »
^ isa pang masama diyan e kapag may na-fail kang subject, masyado ng magigipit ang oras mo. unlike two semesters na merong summer at kung wala kang summer class pwede mong i-devote sa advance learning.

minsan gusto ko ring mag initiate, create some sketchup video tutorials on the phases of development para sa mga students, kasi nakikita ko nga maraming students ang di alam kung paano sisimulan ang isang design... kaso baka tawanan lang ako ng mga masters dito :( so I guess, ang pinakamaganda gumawa nito ay si Tita Boy ;D because malapit siya kay tita henry at dahil ang E-Gizmo ay mas may say sa mga design and application of theories... ;D

simulan mo na sis. :D

sometimes, kailangan lang mas visual ang pagtuturo. most of the times, may mga tinuturuan ako tungkol sa transistor and I always point na 'yung current is always going with the arrow, by that time, nare-realize nila na madali lang pala ang analysis kapag naintindihan mo na kung saan dadaan ang current.

kaya simulan mo na. :D :D :D
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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2010, 06:28:32 PM »
sige sis rdp, simulan mo na ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2010, 06:43:02 PM »
sige sis rdp, simulan mo na ;D ;D ;D

bakit pinapasa mo sis, ikaw ang may pakana niyan. :D :D :D
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« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2010, 06:49:21 PM »
^^6.99impakta,

I think maganda talaga meron mag initiate para mabago ang ganitong sistema sa school...

minsan gusto ko ring mag initiate, create some sketchup video tutorials on the phases of development para sa mga students, kasi nakikita ko nga maraming students ang di alam kung paano sisimulan ang isang design... kaso baka tawanan lang ako ng mga masters dito :( so I guess, ang pinakamaganda gumawa nito ay si Tita Boy ;D because malapit siya kay tita henry at dahil ang E-Gizmo ay mas may say sa mga design and application of theories... ;D

sir aabangan ko yan ha...hehehe......para ma22 din aq...

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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2010, 06:56:37 PM »
hirap din naman po kc pumasok sa RnD or sa design...kunti ng opportunity....kahit gustong gusto sa RnD or sa Design......kaya siguro ung iba e napupunta sa callcenter o sa Comms..

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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2010, 07:04:54 PM »
^ kung mapasok man sa ibang line, merong ways para magamit pa rin 'yung design skills. pwedeng sa hobby, or pwede ring gamitin sa pinapasukan. actually, may mga accountants na natututong mag-program para mapadali 'yung trabaho nila, I think for us, pwede rin nating gawin 'yun.
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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2010, 07:59:05 PM »
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it's sad that more and more can't design a circuit and prototype!

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How can we help them out?

similar to every learning activities, the answer is practice.

Practice reading schematic diagrams.
Practice building circuits.  
Start small and gradually tackle complex circuitry as your confidence grow.

A complex schematic diagram will become understandable after a few sitting.  But familiarity of basic circuits, ie., op-amp circuit configurations (summing, difference, voltage-follower, etc), transistor circuit configurations (CE, CC, CB, etc), is a must.  Even integrated circuits are easily understandable since they are treated as black-boxes.  

And now that practically every datasheets are a search query away, every electronic parts' characteristics are readily available for study.  This is in great contrast to what was available to most of us in the 90's when we scrounge around in the libraries looking for information that were usually already obsolete.  The only "current" technical information we have about parts were from Alexan's "Project and Circuits" and "Electronic Enthusiasts" magazines.  And we tried to collect all those magazines as though they are goldmine because they really are!

Now, what a difference! Every electronic hobbyist magazine (especially circuit-cellar which I could only dream for, then) can be readily downloaded and read at the comfort of my home.

Students today have it good.  All the information they need... All the answers to their assignments and projects...  All the ideas they could ponder...  All available on the web for just a few search query:

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mga masters pahelp naman :D  ano po ba puedeng resistor at capacitor pang-set ng frequency ng tl494??  may project kasi kaming switching power supply..  please help!!!!

if only he used the time he wasted typing that cry for help to searching for the datasheet for TL494 in Google , then he would appear intelligent once he posted questions here in the forum about his difficulties.  At least, it would be evident that he'd done his research first before posting.

So the key to understanding electronic circuits is familiarity.  And practice begets familiarity.
your question appears to be an XY Problem.

why don't you just tell us exactly what you're trying to do?

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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2010, 08:53:22 PM »

it's a good thing na mapag-usapan nga ito..

well, the way how i see "forum" is created is that it should basically service the ff:

(a) "intelligent" advice to those in need, but not spoon-feeding..

(b) public awareness to the latest trend and techniques technically and non-technically coming from  professionals working from industry and academe, hobyyist, students, and practioners as well..

ang nangyayari kasi minsan, ung forum.. un na rin ung google.. minsan may mga nang-gugulo.. minsan may mga hindi matinong mga sagot.. kaya minsan, nawawala ung "flow of good discussion" sa isang thread..

the way how we read questions, it turns out that most students asking questions are seeking "instant" solutions, worst case is.. "deadline na bukas.. deadline na next week.. willing to pay.. etc.."

i don't know what went wrong but.. maybe sometimes, we may blame at the side of the student.. dahil kasi minsan matagal nang nag-announce ung professor about the "thesis or project" pero kung kailan malapit na ang deadline.. saka pa lang uumpisahang gagawin at nag-ru-rush.. and during those days na
kung pwedeng gawin ung project hindi naman inaasikaso..

inuuna pa kasi minsan ang paglalaro nang mga games, barkada, etc.. at hindi ginagampanan nang maayos ang pagiging isang "learner" or "student" na tinatawag..

actually, sa post pa lang mararamdaman naman natin kung ung bata ay may improvement sa mga ginagawa.. kaya sila ung magandang tulungan dahil sila ang may "character" na may pagsusumikap at
pagtitiyaga.. at willing talagang matuto at maturuan..

ika nga eh' ..

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     mangisda.. makakakain siya buong buhay"

i don't know what happened to the students nowadays.. sa tingin ko, bibihira na lang ang pumupunta nang library para gumawa nang research or mag self-study..

theoretically, napakaganda nang objectives.. maganda ang layunin nang forum, iyon ay ang "makatulong sa mga nangangailangan" .. pero minsan may mga "masakit sa mata" talagang basahin.. ung tipong ma-aasar ka..

and sometimes naaabuso na rin.. kaya minsan hindi na natin ma pin-point kung sino ba talaga ang seryoso na matutulungan..

ung iba sa atin dito ay matagal na rin sa elab, kaya minsan may mga nanghihingi nang tulong.. pero minsan hindi na mareplayan.. dahil siguro ang bawat isa sa atin ay naka-experience na rin nang mga kakulitan at mga non-sense na mga questions.. ung tipong nandiyan na ang lahat ng resources, tapos itatanong pa.. at minsan obvious na sa kanya ung sagot pero itatanong pa rin.. ung iba naman, nasagot na in the past.. tamad lang hanapin.. gagawa nang bagong thread.. at itatanong ulit..

sa tingin ko may "bad" effects din ang internet.. sometimes hindi na nag-eeffort ung learner na gumawa nang sarili niyang solution kasi nasa internet na.. copy paste na lang..

kung sa bagay, kung ikaw ba naman ung sa side nang learner, bakit mo pa gagawin ung mga bagay na na-solved na nang iba.. bakit ka pa mag-e-exhibition nang mga solusyon..

pero ang problema kasi kung ganun parati ang pananaw natin.. ini-ignore ung mga simpleng bagay, then i think, we can never accomplish something complicated and more challenging things..

sa tingin ko nga, may problem sa educational system.. pero i-try natin himayin ang common situation..

siguro sa ibang faculty or instructors na rin.. sometimes kasi may mga instructors na hindi dedicated sa kanilang ginagawa or trabaho.. kaya apektado mga students.. siyempre kung tamad ung professor, mahihila ka rin sa katamaran nang pag-aaral sa subject na tinuturo niya..

pero minsan sayang.. lalo na kung "major" subject iyon at naka-inline sa field nang kurso mo.. kaya
kung tamad magturo ung prof. then (by default) huwag na sana siyang gayahin at i-try sana gumawa nang self-research or self-study or magtanong sa iba para at-least "stay competitive" ka pa rin..

it all boils down sometimes in perseverance and motivation..

sa system of management nang school, sometimes "it's business as usual" siyempre much better talaga kung semestral ang mode of operation lalo na kung engineering..

engineering is a very wide field na dapat talaga ma-cover sana ung buong book hanggang sa kahuli-hulihan.. minsan kasi ilang chapters lang ang cover sa tinuturo sa isang semester.. hindi pa kasama doon ung mga absences nang teacher, holidays, ung mga activity nang college at nang department, ung pag-bagyo suspended ang klase, and other extra-activities na kung saan may mga araw na instead
of ma-cover sana ung isang pang topic pero.. 'ala eh.. maraming unexpected sometimes..

sometimes nangyayari din ung "favoritism" sa mga professors, ung hindi pantay ang tingin sa ibang learners..

sa part naman nang professor, sa tingin ko "understandable" naman ung ibang situation like minsan.. siyempre naka-15 years ka na sa serbisyo kaya minsan kapag paulit-ulit na rin ung tinuturuan na subject.. then hindi nagiging dynamic ung subject, kasi kung ano ung itinuro ni prof. last semester.. ganun din ang ituturo niya sa next semester.. and until he/she retires..

.. ala' nang' pagbabago..

at ilang years na rin niyang tinuturo iyon kaya minsan hindi nagiging dynamic ung subject at minsan nagkakatamaran..

kung mag-mamasteral pa, let's say at the age of 38y/o .. siyempre hindi na pareho ung energy niya nung bata pa siya at kalakasan pa niyang mag-aral.. lalo na kung may asawa't anak na maliliit pa.. sila talaga ang unang priority.. pag-medyo bata naman ang professor, minsan hindi ginagalang nang mga estudyante.. lalo na kung baguhan at mahina boses tapos pabading-bading..

at minsan din pag bata ung professor, uncertain pa kung magtatagal sa pagtuturo.. lalo na sa engineering.. dahil ang una ay hindi malaki ang kita sa pagtuturo.. at pangalawa pag bata pa, sila ung mga tipong undecided pa sa career path.. ung tipong, "trial and error".. pag-ayaw na sa work at mababa ang sweldo, siyempre by default ay aalis ka talaga.. wala pa namang mawawala sa iyo.. dahil bata ka pa naman at marami pang company na pwede ma-aaplayan at tumanggap sa iyo at ur dynamic and energetic age.. unlike pag matanda na..

kaya minsan mahirap din talaga makakuha nang mga "dedicated" na mga teacher.. maraming mga magaling like topnotcher, "laude's" R&D's .. pero nasaan? andun sa mga magagandang company .. siyempre andun ang malaki ang kita at may development sa career.. meron din training abroad and\or locally.. kaya updated sila sa mga latest trends.. at masaya sila sa career..

sa full-time teaching, may ganyan ba.. unless siguro pag Ph.D.. pero pag-ordinary instructor ka lang.. at nasa lib-lib na lugar pa.. ung tipong malayo sa kabihasnan.. i doubt it..

nasa dugo talaga ang pagtuturo.. ung tipong "dedicated" and "love of work" .. sila ung mga "legendary" sa mga estudyante na hanggang sa pagtanda nung estudyante.. eh, hindi talaga siya makalimutan..

sa mga professor, maganda talaga na matapos ang masteral.. at doctoral pa sana hangga't maari sa field of specialization para maging "more" competent tayo at may kontribusyon nang engineering and scientific knowledge din para sa advancement nang subject.. kadalasan kasi may mga nag-masteral nga
"MBA" naman or hindi kaya sa "management".. or hindi kaya sa ibang field..

mas maganda sana kung sa civil engineering ka nag bachelor, then dun ka na rin mag-masteral
hanggang doctoral.. kokonti lang talaga ang nakakagawa nang ganun.. sa buong pilipinas..
bilang na bilang lang.. wala pa yatang isang libo.. (sa tingin ko lang ah') but if we try to imagine the "big picture" ... the figure is surprisingly very low.. a "fraction" indeed in comparison with other countries..

minsan kasi sobrang busy sa work ang mga "instructors" at maraming pinapagawa ang school.. kaya naumpisahan na nilang mag-aral at mag-enroll pero an tagal naman tapusin dahil na rin siguro sa maraming mga pinapagawa sa trabaho.. kaya halos wala nang oras sa pag-aaral.. siyempre uunahin muna ang tabaho kesa pag-aaral.. kailangan muna nang may pagkain sa mesa..

ung iba naman, iisipin "para saan pa" .. hindi naman kailangan iyan sa trabaho ko.. maraming
magagaling magturo na walang masteral.. at dati rati naman nung mga 80's or 90's.. hindi
naman uso iyan.. ni-required lang talaga nang sistema..

pero nasa estudyante or learner pa rin talaga iyan.. minsan ibine - "blame" ung school, ung professor,
ung sistema, etc.. minsan kasi, wala iyan sa school kung gusto mo talaga matuto..

nasa kanya naman ang lahat nang choices.. alam na nga niyang trimester eh ba't nandiyan siya.. hindi
na nga nagtuturo ung prof.. sinasabayan pa niyang hindi mag-aral.. wala man lang initiative.. dapat
ung mga ganitong klaseng learner ay hindi pa-pwede sa engineering.. ung mga tamad at hindi
nakapag-desisyon nang tama para sa sarili niya..  

dahil ung mga ganitong klaseng problema ay hindi lang naman sa eskwela nangyayari iyan.. mas maraming problema minsan sa mga company na pinapasukan.. sometimes much worser pa.. may mga boss din na tamad at sa subordinates niya pinapagawa ung task niya..

tsk.. tsk.. tskk..

nasa "dugo" talaga ang pag-aaral.. kung gusto mo talaga matuto, then kailangan magsumikap ka,
magtiyaga ka, at magsumipag ka..

double effort ika nga' ..

maraming gusto mag-aral.. pero hindi makapag-aral dahil sa "kahirapan" at hindi kaya nang magulang
ang pantustos sa pag-aaral..

pero sana kayong mga nabiyayaan nang "chance" na makapag-aral.. huwag niyo naman sana sayangin
ang magandang pagkakataon na ibinigay sa inyo.. i-maximized ninyo ang inyong potential sa pag-aaral..
huwag ninyong sayangin ang pera nang inyong mga magulang na nagpapakahirap magtrabaho para sa
kinabukasan ninyo..

"nagkakatulong sa ibang bansa, construction worker sa saudi, mag-drive nang BUS, jeep, taxi.. etc.." lahat nang mahihirap na trabaho kinakaya nila mabigyan lang kayo nang baon at tuition para makapag-aral..," pero ung pera, sa bulakbol lang napupunta..

sa nakikita ko ngayon, 'ala.. bibihira na lang talaga.. lalo na ung ibang mayayaman, inaaksaya
lang ang pera sa tuition.. panay bagsak ang grade..

tsk.. tskk..


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Re: Basics of Electronics Design... MASTERS and APRENTICE PASOK PO!
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2010, 09:09:04 PM »
Malaking tul0ng ang internet ;D
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« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2010, 09:39:25 PM »
^^6.99impakta,

I think maganda talaga meron mag initiate para mabago ang ganitong sistema sa school...

minsan gusto ko ring mag initiate, create some sketchup video tutorials on the phases of development para sa mga students, kasi nakikita ko nga maraming students ang di alam kung paano sisimulan ang isang design... kaso baka tawanan lang ako ng mga masters dito :( so I guess, ang pinakamaganda gumawa nito ay si Tita Boy ;D because malapit siya kay tita henry at dahil ang E-Gizmo ay mas may say sa mga design and application of theories... ;D

dito sa Pinas, suicide yung ganyan :( mas habol kasi ng mga ece school na mapataas ang board exam rating nila dahil na rin sa sobrang baba ng National Passing Rates. At saka mas busy pa ata yung karamihan ng schools sa mga quizshows imbes na magtagisan ng kanikaninang projects/thesis. Magiging trend na ata yung imbes na thesis/projects ang maging basehan ng isang graduating student para makagrad ay yung pre-board pataasan pa ang labanan ;D

  Sis 7 gawa ka ng mga video tutorials sa youtube ^^ kahit mag maskara ka na lang para di ka makilala hehehehehe..
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Re: Basics of Electronics Design... MASTERS and APRENTICE PASOK PO!
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2010, 11:19:56 PM »
^^6.99impakta,

I think maganda talaga meron mag initiate para mabago ang ganitong sistema sa school...

minsan gusto ko ring mag initiate, create some sketchup video tutorials on the phases of development para sa mga students, kasi nakikita ko nga maraming students ang di alam kung paano sisimulan ang isang design... kaso baka tawanan lang ako ng mga masters dito :( so I guess, ang pinakamaganda gumawa nito ay si Tita Boy ;D because malapit siya kay tita henry at dahil ang E-Gizmo ay mas may say sa mga design and application of theories... ;D

simulan mo na idol, marami makikinabang nyan for sure..  ;)


^ isa pang masama diyan e kapag may na-fail kang subject, masyado ng magigipit ang oras mo. unlike two semesters na merong summer at kung wala kang summer class pwede mong i-devote sa advance learning.

simulan mo na sis. :D

sometimes, kailangan lang mas visual ang pagtuturo. most of the times, may mga tinuturuan ako tungkol sa transistor and I always point na 'yung current is always going with the arrow, by that time, nare-realize nila na madali lang pala ang analysis kapag naintindihan mo na kung saan dadaan ang current.

kaya simulan mo na. :D :D :D

ako, may pagka-"visual" akong tao, mas maganda ang recall sakin ng bagay kung nakikita ko kesa sa nababasa lang. ewan ko, pero napansin ko yun kahit na nung bata ako. mas madali ko maalala kung maririnig ko(sasabihin sakin) or mapapanood ko..  :D :D :D

@topic:

marami na talaga tamad na students. ewan ko, ang may kasalanan, 50% ang schools, 50% ang mga mag-aaral.. sayang, maraming matatalinong estudyante, kelangan lang ng tamad guidance at motivation..

kaya ako, kung bibigyan ako ng pagkakataon, babalik ako sa school at mag-aaral uli..  :-\
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« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2010, 11:41:27 PM »
^^ video tutorials would be a great help. i really wanted to learn, i don't want to graduate college with insufficient knowledge.
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Re: Basics of Electronics Design... MASTERS and APRENTICE PASOK PO!
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2010, 08:08:24 AM »
similar to every learning activities, the answer is practice.

Practice reading schematic diagrams.
Practice building circuits.  
Start small and gradually tackle complex circuitry as your confidence grow.

A complex schematic diagram will become understandable after a few sitting.  But familiarity of basic circuits, ie., op-amp circuit configurations (summing, difference, voltage-follower, etc), transistor circuit configurations (CE, CC, CB, etc), is a must.  Even integrated circuits are easily understandable since they are treated as black-boxes.  

And now that practically every datasheets are a search query away, every electronic parts' characteristics are readily available for study.  This is in great contrast to what was available to most of us in the 90's when we scrounge around in the libraries looking for information that were usually already obsolete.  The only "current" technical information we have about parts were from Alexan's "Project and Circuits" and "Electronic Enthusiasts" magazines.  And we tried to collect all those magazines as though they are goldmine because they really are!

Now, what a difference! Every electronic hobbyist magazine (especially circuit-cellar which I could only dream for, then) can be readily downloaded and read at the comfort of my home.

Students today have it good.  All the information they need... All the answers to their assignments and projects...  All the ideas they could ponder...  All available on the web for just a few search query:

if only he used the time he wasted typing that cry for help to searching for the datasheet for TL494 in Google , then he would appear intelligent once he posted questions here in the forum about his difficulties.  At least, it would be evident that he'd done his research first before posting.

So the key to understanding electronic circuits is familiarity.  And practice begets familiarity.

Oo nga naman, nung araw eh wala pang internet(or mahal and internet) pero natuto tayo ng electronics from books sa library sa school. Bakit ngayon na lahat ng kailangan nila eh nasa harapan na nila, kelangan lang unawain, eh hindi pa nila magawa.
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