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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #580 on: June 23, 2012, 06:16:37 PM »
what it looks like when installed...



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Nice tip sir Jojo, gagawin ko rin ito after na mapalitan ko na yung mga trannies... ;) Saan ka bumili niyang polystyrene cap? Sa Alexan meron sana kaso iilang values lang.

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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #581 on: June 23, 2012, 06:23:10 PM »
Nice tip sir Jojo, gagawin ko rin ito after na mapalitan ko na yung mga trannies... ;) Saan ka bumili niyang polystyrene cap? Sa Alexan meron sana kaso iilang values lang.



kungdi sa Mouser sa Digikey galing yan sir... doon ko pinamili yun ibang gamit ng HB amp... meron pala sa Alexan niyan masilip nga kung ano meron sila....

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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #582 on: June 23, 2012, 06:28:40 PM »
i'm planning on making a new board ;D hindi ko magawa na idikit yung ltps ko dahil namirror yung PCb ko ;D

Oo nga pala double check mo sis yung orientation ng differential trannie, sa lay-out ni sis Jlester designed yun for E-B-C (gaya ng 2N5551) kaya face to face siya, pero kung gagamit ka ng BC546, C-B-E magiging back to back yun. Yung miller cap naman isa dun ay 220pf pero ako lahat 100pf ginamit ko sa miller cap kagaya ng sa original.


Yung driver trannies sa build ko ay MJE15032/15033 kaya facing sa input ang orientation.
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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #583 on: June 23, 2012, 06:32:32 PM »
kungdi sa Mouser sa Digikey galing yan sir... doon ko pinamili yun ibang gamit ng HB amp... meron pala sa Alexan niyan masilip nga kung ano meron sila....

Ahehe, by order pala allergic ako diyan sir,..anyway sa Watson's meron din dun kanya lang nung mag-canvas ako kung ano meron silang values ang gusto ata bilhin lahat yung nasa list ko... :P ;D
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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #584 on: June 23, 2012, 07:32:13 PM »
salamat sis!
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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #585 on: June 23, 2012, 08:27:06 PM »
Ahehe, by order pala allergic ako diyan sir,..anyway sa Watson's meron din dun kanya lang nung mag-canvas ako kung ano meron silang values ang gusto ata bilhin lahat yung nasa list ko... :P ;D

walang problema by order pangalan ng opisina gamit ko hehehe... masasanay ka din diyan sa watson's besides kung dalawa piraso lang need mo eh pwede na din tiyagaan sa kanila... ;)

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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #586 on: June 23, 2012, 08:54:22 PM »
tip lang sa mga bumubuo nito, thermally bond your LTPs. better yet, match their HFEs first, as close as possible or kung pwede same, mura lang naman transistor parang isang stick lang ng yosi yan. Bili ng madami tapos mag match. then do this...


prepare some plastic tie wires or pwede din heatshrink tube and some thermal grease...




put small thermal grease to bond your LTP then tie together...




what it looks like when installed...







good luck and enjoy your builds...


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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #587 on: June 24, 2012, 01:24:40 PM »
I'm done... ;D

For 2 hours play (at -/+24vdc), quite stable naman malinis at walang sign ng oscillation problems.

My final patchwork dun sa orig lay-out ni sis Lester...yung power ground traces kinapalan ko lang ng konti using pentel prior to etching...

Zobel is wired to power ground ng PCB.
I used MJE15032/15033 for drivers, B649A for VAS (Ic 1.5A, Pc 1W, ft 140mhz, Hfe 200max, Cob 14pf) Input cap Bennic film 9uf. Differential trannies MPSA42. Dale 0.22 5W precision resistor.

Mukhang a little overkill for the job ang ginamit kong mga piyesa.. ;D Anyway yan kase ang available na meron na ako. Later-on baka palitan ko rin uli yung akma sa power rail around -/+42vdc. At power-on gumana kagad all components ay normal naman walang overheating na nadetect. A little over the edge ata yung DC offset at 37mv (pero super quiet naman), quiescent current at around 70ma.

My comments...Great dynamics with the presence of ambiance. Forget the harmonics it has to measured at hindi naman ako audiophile with a golden ear... :D Anyway adjective praises to sonic quality is subjective to one's listener ears.

Thumbs-up! to sis Lester for the lay-out...plus uli sayo... ;D



How much pala yung dale 0.22 precision resistor? thanks

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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #588 on: June 24, 2012, 11:18:16 PM »
Ktatapos ko lang ng P3A stereo knina.
all ecaps from panasonic, 100pf/220pf from vishay, two diode biasing, BD140/BD139 Vas and driver from ON. MPSA42 from ON.
Output of toshiba genuine 80watt TO-3P.
24-0-24Vac 10amp trafo, 10,000uf/50V per rail, di man lang pumipiyok sa bass at fully open volume control sa 12" Speaker.
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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #589 on: June 25, 2012, 07:03:25 AM »
Thanks sa tip sir jojo.
Yung dating MD8003 at K129, mga built-in matched pair di ko alam kung available pa.
Pero mas madali tong ganitong technique at mas nakakamura.
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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #590 on: June 25, 2012, 11:04:50 AM »
How much pala yung dale 0.22 precision resistor? thanks

Nasa 8.00php a piece ata bili ko nian last year kay sis gerry morales, yan yung mga natira pa sis.
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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #591 on: June 25, 2012, 02:23:39 PM »
Waw ang mura lang pala! Meron kaya niyan sa RS? Di ko alam kung anong tamang keyword pang search eh,..

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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #592 on: June 25, 2012, 05:40:21 PM »
^ search mo DALE wirewound resitor :)
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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #593 on: June 25, 2012, 11:54:22 PM »
Ngek 100pesos isa sa RS... awts

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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #594 on: June 26, 2012, 05:54:13 AM »
^pag bulk order, bababa yung price nyan ;D
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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #595 on: June 26, 2012, 07:43:26 AM »
Ngek 100pesos isa sa RS... awts

Naku! ang mahal pala nian, kontakin mo si gerry morales baka may stock pa siya nian. Yung ceramic cap na gamit ko binili ko rin sa kanya high quality din ang mga yun rated at 1kv. Try mo ask si flyback kung pano ma-kontak si gerry m bihira na yata mag-online sa elab.
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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #596 on: June 26, 2012, 12:32:56 PM »
Ktatapos ko lang ng P3A stereo knina.
all ecaps from panasonic, 100pf/220pf from vishay, two diode biasing, BD140/BD139 Vas and driver from ON. MPSA42 from ON.
Output of toshiba genuine 80watt TO-3P.
24-0-24Vac 10amp trafo, 10,000uf/50V per rail, di man lang pumipiyok sa bass at fully open volume control sa 12" Speaker.

Nice to hear that sis, MPSA42 din pala gamit mo TO-92 devices. Naghahanap pako ng MPSA18 hindi pala ito available sa Deeco at Newport... :P :D
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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #597 on: June 26, 2012, 12:51:49 PM »
Naku! ang mahal pala nian, kontakin mo si gerry morales baka may stock pa siya nian. Yung ceramic cap na gamit ko binili ko rin sa kanya high quality din ang mga yun rated at 1kv. Try mo ask si flyback kung pano ma-kontak si gerry m bihira na yata mag-online sa elab.
Thanks sir... gagamit nalang ako ng ordinary wirewound.

Meron pala kong version 2 ng p3a naten... mas ok ba to visually?
I read somewhere na mas mababa yung noise emission ng wirewound type kaysa carbon/film types...
kaya yun nalang yung nilagay ko sa pcb design na to...


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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #598 on: June 27, 2012, 07:45:36 AM »
Thanks sir... gagamit nalang ako ng ordinary wirewound.

Meron pala kong version 2 ng p3a naten... mas ok ba to visually?
I read somewhere na mas mababa yung noise emission ng wirewound type kaysa carbon/film types...
kaya yun nalang yung nilagay ko sa pcb design na to...



Agree mahusay naman din naman ang wirewounds, yung Dale precision types....hmmm wala na yung jumper wires mukhang OK pa-send nga rin saken yung pdf neto sis..ma-try nga din ito... ;)

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Re: P3A amp 100 watts Help
« Reply #599 on: June 27, 2012, 07:56:13 AM »
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I read somewhere na mas mababa yung noise emission ng wirewound type kaysa carbon/film types...

true, wirewounds have the lowest noise levels followed by metal films....however, wirewounds tends to have inductance due the physical construction, so when looking at wirewound specs, see that it is specified as non-inductive type..


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