Computer Science Vs Computer Engineering Vs Information Technology?

[mms05084]

computer engineering is a better choice if you want to consider learning almost all aspects about computers such as hardware designing, software development and networking. all underlying technologies and protocols of these usable computer applications are discussed on the course. 

[Lenjei]

  yeah right! kaya mag COE na kayo.. masarap maging COE promise!!

 

('-') .\m/

[Bino]

Dagdag lang po sa mga previous posts.


Ang trend ng mga courses offered ngayon sa pilipinas ay nababatay sa uso. Halimbawa nito ay yung PT (Physical Therapy), Nursing at kasama na din dito ang Computer related courses (CoE, ComSci at IT). Ang intention kasi ng mga "schools" ay mag-offer ng course para makakuha ng estudyante. Ang mali dito, ang daming offered courses, pero walang experts na magtuturo. Dagdag pa dito, hindi nila alam ang differences ng tatlo. Ang reulta: Chop Suey! Alam mo lahat ... pero wala kang expertise o specialization.


So given na ganyan ang sitwasyon, how do you make the most out of it? Tama yung mga tinanong previously ... Ano ang difference ng CoE, ComSci at IT.


Kung CoE ka at nasa pilipinas ka, meron ka'ng two options ... IT Industry (Systems and Network Administration) and Engineering R&D.


Sa R&D, do good in Digital Electronics, Analog Electronics and MicroP/MicroC plus ideas for Research and Development (Ang ECE din sinusubukan na ang MicroC at MicroP). Maganda ang prospects sa R&D Engineer and maganda din ang suweldo sa pilipinas (lalo na sa abroad!!!). Kaya din pala ito ng BS Physics, BS Applied Physics, BS Material Science (UP).


Kung Network and Hardware ang gusto mo, marmi din opportunities at maraming kasabay pero experience ang labanan. Kung sa abroad naman ang target mo, certifications (Microsoft, Linux, Cisco - as mentioned previously, etc.) ang kailangan. BTW, CISCO Certifications acquired locally are recognized in other countries. 


Kung ComSci ka, focus on systems development, database, web apps development and a lot of business processes. You can end up as a programmer then systems analyst (preferrably in that order para hindi ka hilaw sa experience). maganda ang opportunities abroad - a lot of pinoy programmers are in Singapore. Kaya din ito ng mga BS Math graduates.

 
Sa IT naman, data analysis kasi puro business applications ang hawak ninyo. May edge ka kung may business and accounting background ka. Very tight ang competition dito kasi yung mga umayaw sa CoE at ComSci ... halos lahat, dito pumupunta.


Paalala lang po. Kung plano ninyo mag-abroad para makakuha ng magandang training at maliking sahod, walang pumipigil sa inyo. maganda ito para sa inyo kasi nandoon ang opportunities pero sana, pag marami na kayong natutunan, bumalik kayo sa pilipinas at ibahagi ang inyong nalalaman sa kapwa pilipino. 
 

[ychelly]

Pinakamagastos sa tingin ko yung COmp.Eng kaysa sa dalawang yan (IT and Com Scie). Sa Microprocessor subject pa nga lang mamumulubi ka na pano pa kaya kung sa ibang subjects pa  . Pag IT and Com Scie, May computer ka lang buhay ka na eh. 

tama ka dyan namumulubi na ako hahahaha

[gtxr2.ren]

In my point of view..iisa lang naman ang bottom line ng mga ito..

                                   "SOFTWARE"

even cisco have their own software for their router configurations, pag sinabing microsoft (automatic software na iyan..) applications like visual studio, office productivity, windows...also with linux, database (sql), Php, xml, etc..bottom line is software..ung sa CoE, sure engineering so kailangan may knowledge sa hardware, pero sa tingin ko kayang-kaya din ng mga CS and IT students ung sa CoE kung maisasama lang sa curricula nila..

pero bakit nga pala walang board exams ang tatlong ito..?

[Lenjei]

i think ndi nila kaya un.. hahaha!! according to my experience ditu sa sti.. hehehe.

[gtxr2.ren]

i think ndi nila kaya un.. hahaha!! according to my experience ditu sa sti.. hehehe.

kaya din cguro nila lenjei..bigyan lang ng konting pwersa ang mga klasmeyts u..and more efforts on 'teachers' side..

ayaw u ba mag-ECE lenjei? anong skul k nga pala? (asl pls..1/2 joke')

[earl]

syempre mas mahirap yung Computer engineering kaysa sa dalawang yan

Not necessarily. There are subjects also in ComSci and IT that can run circles around
ur head. In our school, ComSci has the greatest casualty rate. Some subjects that comes to
mind are Compilers/Interpreters, AI and Graphics programming ( some professors find 2d graphics
too boring and would rather challenge you with 3d graphics programming ).

[earl]

walang challenge ang comp.sci at IT compared sa COMP.E...
mahirap ang comp.eng'g...

Com Engg : My course is harder because I need to program in the lower level and I get to solder a lot.
Com Sci : My course is harder because I have to think about complex OS algorithms and networking protocols.
IT : My course is harder because I have to fucking create an actual computerized solution to a fucking human
      problem.

Clueless.

My point is, each course has a specialty and one is not necessarily easier than the other ( that
entirely depends on your school, maybe in your school, your ComSci and IT teachers are dummies. ).
Com E might have difficult hardware courses but ComSci and IT have their difficult software courses
too ( have you ever wrapped your head around the linear algebra needed for 3D graphics programming ?
or the relational Calculus needed in Distributed DBMS ? or account for every firing neuron in an artificial
neural networks class  ? ).

My .02 cents to the topic is:

Com Engg is focused more on the hardware side of computing.

Com Sci is focused more on the theoretical side of computing

Info Tech is focused more on the application side of computing.

[rdpzycho]

TAMA!

[gtxr2.ren]

Com Engg : My course is harder because I need to program in the lower level and I get to solder a lot.
Com Sci : My course is harder because I have to think about complex OS algorithms and networking protocols.
IT : My course is harder because I have to fucking create an actual computerized solution to a fucking human
      problem.

Clueless.

My point is, each course has a specialty and one is not necessarily easier than the other ( that
entirely depends on your school, maybe in your school, your ComSci and IT teachers are dummies. ).
Com E might have difficult hardware courses but ComSci and IT have their difficult software courses
too ( have you ever wrapped your head around the linear algebra needed for 3D graphics programming ?
or the relational Calculus needed in Distributed DBMS ? or account for every firing neuron in an artificial
neural networks class  ? ).

My .02 cents to the topic is:

Com Engg is focused more on the hardware side of computing.

Com Sci is focused more on the theoretical side of computing

Info Tech is focused more on the application side of computing.

I think this ends the discussion..a good conclusion from experienced professional..

[amielee]

im a computer engineering graduate last 2002 and im working now as MIS Head
sa tingin ko difference between them:
computer engineering: a little bit of everything about computer architecture, electronic, software and hardware (but most about hardware)

CompSci: more on creating and designing data and application but must rely on the work of computer engineers

IT: well sad to say its just my opinion (sorry) must rely on the work both of compsci and compE

[gtxr2.ren]

im a computer engineering graduate last 2002 and im working now as MIS Head
sa tingin ko difference between them:
computer engineering: a little bit of everything about computer architecture, electronic, software and hardware (but most about hardware)

CompSci: more on creating and designing data and application but must rely on the work of computer engineers

IT: well sad to say its just my opinion (sorry) must rely on the work both of compsci and compE

i think it was said already but..

is it possible for them to converge? BS IT-CS-CoE? Full force..

[earl]

im a computer engineering graduate last 2002 and im working now as MIS Head
sa tingin ko difference between them:
computer engineering: a little bit of everything about computer architecture, electronic, software and hardware (but most about hardware)

CompSci: more on creating and designing data and application but must rely on the work of computer engineers

IT: well sad to say its just my opinion (sorry) must rely on the work both of compsci and compE

Actually, if you come to think of it, ComSci is the encompassing study,.. IT and ComEngg are just branches of ComSci that specializes.

ComSci creates the theory, ComEngg studies it further and creates a working implementation if the theory is hardware related.
IT studies the theory further and creates a solution if it is software related.

To give an example, consider the TCP/IP network stack. Several computer scientist came to the conclusion that in order to have
a network that could survive a nuclear attack, it is best if the data to be transmitted is broken down into chunks and each chunk
would have the address of the destination computer( IP ). Furthermore, if the transmitting party wants a reliable ordering and delivery,
each chunk should contain its sequence number so that the complete message can be easily assembled( TCP ). That's the theory
of TCP/IP. A ComEngg then studies that theory and the protocols, then creates the hardware that could support it. An IT practitioner
studies that theory and protocols and begins constructing an application that exploits its capabilities.

ComSci is like the Physics and Chemistry of the Engineering world. They build the theory. Engineering implements them. And engineering,
in this analogy, is IT and ComEngg.

Unless of course if your ComSci course is just teaching you programming, databases and what not. In which case, your not really studying
ComSci but studying Software Engineering.

[amielee]

is it possible for them to converge? BS IT-CS-CoE? Full force..

 its already said in the 1st reply of 2nd page of this forum that CoE ia the best choise if you want to consider learning almost all aspects about computers

[gtxr2.ren]

yes i read that already but i want to gain some other opinions..

Malawak din naman ang Mechanical Engineering and Civil Engineering but then nagkakaiba lang sa specializations..even EE and ECE too..

Malawak din naman ang computer science and 'may possibly' can do the jobs of CoE..

but what makes 'software' field so different..?

[amielee]

Actually, if you come to think of it, ComSci is the encompassing study,.. IT and ComEngg are just branches of ComSci that specializes.

ComSci creates the theory, ComEngg studies it further and creates a working implementation if the theory is hardware related.
IT studies the theory further and creates a solution if it is software related.

To give an example, consider the TCP/IP network stack. Several computer scientist came to the conclusion that in order to have
a network that could survive a nuclear attack, it is best if the data to be transmitted is broken down into chunks and each chunk
would have the address of the destination computer( IP ). Furthermore, if the transmitting party wants a reliable ordering and delivery,
each chunk should contain its sequence number so that the complete message can be easily assembled( TCP ). That's the theory
of TCP/IP. A ComEngg then studies that theory and the protocols, then creates the hardware that could support it. An IT practitioner
studies that theory and protocols and begins constructing an application that exploits its capabilities.

ComSci is like the Physics and Chemistry of the Engineering world. They build the theory. Engineering implements them. And engineering,
in this analogy, is IT and ComEngg.

Unless of course if your ComSci course is just teaching you programming, databases and what not. In which case, your not really studying
ComSci but studying Software Engineering.

yeah maybe you are right.. and sorry maybe i hurt your pride.. but without the engineers the work of comsci will not be materialized, we are in the 21st century. but there are no articles that says CoE is one of the branches of CS as you will know The early foundations of CS predate the invention of the modern digital computer (which is associated to abacus calculating machine existed since antiquity). which means that CS only exist when digital computers came up. and CoE are not called like that but rather called inventor(engineers) but specializes the computer machine, and remember early computers have no OS or application used or what so ever...

[amielee]

yes i read that already but i want to gain some other opinions..

Malawak din naman ang Mechanical Engineering and Civil Engineering but then nagkakaiba lang sa specializations..even EE and ECE too..

Malawak din naman ang computer science and 'may possibly' can do the jobs of CoE..

but what makes 'software' field so different..?

CoE constitute extensive areas of EE and CS, and CoE thought of hardware-software integration

[gtxr2.ren]

If i'm not mistaken, John Von Neumann is a mathematician, yet he was considered 'engineer' because of his pioneering works in computers during those early days..

There are also some professors in computer science with Ph.D degree in computer science with no engineering background during his early studies, yet SUN microsystems hired him as Software Engineer..

Sa pagkakaalam ko ang CoE na derive sa CS..dati magkasama ung dalawang iyan, but as complexities in computers and in software grew..nag-break na ung dalawa into their own respective fields..

and i think kaya na rin ng ECE ung sa CoE..dagdagan lang ng konting specializations ang ECE related sa CoE sa curricula..

[amielee]

If i'm not mistaken, John Von Neumann is a mathematician, yet he was considered 'engineer' because of his pioneering works in computers during those early days..

There are also some professors in computer science with Ph.D degree in computer science with no engineering background during his early studies, yet SUN microsystems hired him as Software Engineer..

Sa pagkakaalam ko ang CoE na derive sa CS..dati magkasama ung dalawang iyan, but as complexities in computers and in software grew..nag-break na ung dalawa into their own respective fields..

and i think kaya na rin ng ECE ung sa CoE..dagdagan lang ng konting specializations ang ECE related sa CoE sa curricula..

 yeah right, i agree - eh alam mo pala.. hehe