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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2011, 01:32:51 AM »
huhuness baket ba ayaw sakin ng mga pcb? andame ko ng nasasayang.. ung presynthesized d talaga sha effective pag fluorescent lamp lang uv light talaga dapat kaya lang wala ako nun.. ung acetate method natutunaw naman ung acetate sa plantsa although me ilan na kumakapit.. ganun din sa xerox method iilan lang ang kumakapit.. pag pentel pen naman super hirap dahil sa mga spacings..

ano pa bang pdeng method na gamitin or materials na recta na bukod sa presynthesized na yan..

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2011, 02:33:45 AM »
first dapat mag test expose ka nang 1 cm by 1cm na cut (squares) mamumulubi ka kung buong board lagi.
start mo exposure, increment ka nang 2 minute inch.
use a lamp shade dapat at lease 3-4 inch ang layo sa bulb at sensitized board.
develop as usual.

i'll expose it for free kung gusto mo. ayun lang ikaw pupunta dito.

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2011, 05:16:45 AM »
bait naman ni sir martin.  ;D

Exposure time + distance from CFL (desk lamp)
Developer solution, how many percent of water and percent of developer?

Sa pagde-develop, ang mas matapang, mas mabilis ma-develop.
kaya mabagal lang o hindi matapang na timpla.
dahil sa bagal ng pag-develop, kailangan mo ng tyaga.


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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2011, 05:17:54 AM »
paglaruan mo ito:
  • Exposure time + distance from CFL (desk lamp)
  • Developer solution, how many percent of water and percent of developer?

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2011, 05:17:54 AM »

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2011, 10:04:28 AM »
huhuness baket ba ayaw sakin ng mga pcb? andame ko ng nasasayang.. ung presynthesized d talaga sha effective pag fluorescent lamp lang uv light talaga dapat kaya lang wala ako nun..

 ??? ??? ???

gagana 'yan, masyadong matagal lang exposure time mo. CFL ang gamit namin sa opisina with traces as thin as 8 mils.



thinnest trace is 8 mils, to give an idea gaano siyang kanipis, 'yung jumper diyan is AWG#32. 'yung butas is 1mm.



lahat 'yan CFL ang gamit at ordinary bond paper. walang baby oil or anything special. nasa tiyaga lang 'yan. kapag nawawalan ng pag-asa, lalong 'di maaayos. tama naman 'yung instructions sa package (referring to Alexan PCB).



dati ordinary desk lamp lang ginagamit namin, linagay na sa box ngayon para sabay ang exposure nung top at bottom side, isang salangan lang. 'yan 'yung bond paper na ginagamit namin, nothing special, similar sa quality ng National Bookstore Best Buy.

http://www.electronicslab.ph/forum/index.php?topic=348.0

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2011, 10:04:28 AM »

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2011, 10:12:23 AM »
ok lang din sakin.  ;D


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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #66 on: November 11, 2011, 09:03:19 PM »
lintikan pag ppcb yan bat ba ayaw makisama sakin???!!!!! ok eto ginawa ko

presynthesized
 -binabad ko sa acetate w/ CFL na ngaun ung pcb CFL na nakatapat sa ilaw ung pcb w/ 5cm range according sa instruction tapos binabad ko sa developer solution so bale nauna ko ng ihalo ung developer after 1 hr parang walang ngyare andaming kalas kalas na points

toner transfer
 -ung acetate method palang nasusubukan ko kase ang hirap maghanap dito samin ng laser printing miski mga shops inkjet ang gamit.. bale nasusunog talaga ung acetate although bumabakat naman pero sira sha..

sharpie method
 -edi ngpakahirap ako idrawing ung pcb sa copper using sharpie pentel pen tapos binabad ko sha ferric chloride pero bat nakakalas ung mga pentel pen kaya ang output nya is kokonti lang ang naetch ko kalas ang karamihan sa mga copper including ung karamihan sa mga traces ko.. bale wala ang 5 hrs na effort more or less 1 hr ang pagdraw and 4 hrs na pagaantay.. pramis habang nanonood ako ng anime nasa ibaba ng kama ko ung ineetch ko kaya binabantayan ko na yan..
d ko na inaalog un habang ineetch sha ah

for both sharpie and toner transfer nilinis ko naman ang pcb ko

grrrrrrrrr...

SERIOUSLY pala effective ba talaga sa fluorescent lamp ang photoetch as in sing effective ba ng UV light kung 10 mins ang babad sa ilaw... sabi sakin ng isang friend ko "weak" daw un UV light daw talaga kaso pahirapan naman makakuha nun--> yan ang eksaktong term sa pagkakadescribe nya

oo natry ko naman ang UV light pero imposible ko na shang matry pa ulit ngaun dahil d ko na alam kung san ako hihiram ng UV machine

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #67 on: November 11, 2011, 09:13:13 PM »
▲ ano yung 1hr na yun sis yung bang tagal ng pagkaka babad mo sa developer ng presensitize?
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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2011, 10:04:46 PM »
▲ ano yung 1hr na yun sis yung bang tagal ng pagkaka babad mo sa developer ng presensitize?

actually sa 1 hr na yan may tira tira pang kulay green na dapat kalasin eh.. un pa talaga ung natitira d ung bakat..

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2011, 10:50:18 PM »
hmm dapat 10-20 minutes max na nakatutok sa ilaw. then lagay mo sa developer hanggang mawala yung mga green at matira nalang yung tracks mo. magsimula ka muna sa matabang na mixture. konti lang muna developer. mas okay na konti wag lang sobra, trust me ilang beses na ko nadali nito, kahit naman matabang makakapag develop e mas matagal nga lang.

ay teka, binabad mo lang ba kamo? hindi mo INALOG?

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #70 on: November 12, 2011, 12:11:23 AM »
SERIOUSLY pala effective ba talaga sa fluorescent lamp ang photoetch as in sing effective ba ng UV light kung 10 mins ang babad sa ilaw... sabi sakin ng isang friend ko "weak" daw un UV light daw talaga kaso pahirapan naman makakuha nun--> yan ang eksaktong term sa pagkakadescribe nya

seriously? CFL 'yung nandoon sa box na gamit namin oh, plus 'yung output niya with very fine and sharp traces. ::) flourescent tube naman 'yung doon sa tutorial sa elab.

binababad mo lang ba tulad ng tanong ni keitherz? maaalis niya kasi lahat 'yan kung walang agitation, kasi 'di napapalitan 'yung developer na naka-contact soon sa na-expose.

paano nga pala na-press 'yung acetate? lapat ba? kung hindi kasi pantay ang lapat, fuzzy ang edges niya, halos matatanggal muna lahat bago matira 'yung traces mo.

konting tiyaga lang, at tulad doon sa suggestion ni sir martin, i-try muna sa maliliit na piraso. kung 'di pa rin magawa, nag-alok na si sir martin na siya gagawa. ;)

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #71 on: November 12, 2011, 11:53:38 PM »
question po pde po ba palaminate nalang ung pcb instead na plaplantsahin pa dun sa toner transfer method?

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #72 on: November 13, 2011, 06:23:37 AM »
^di ata sis madadala/kakapit ;D ;D

afair uv ang pinakamainam.. pwidi na din ang plantsa..

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2011, 06:35:04 PM »
kung gamit ka ng pentel pen yung water resistance at para di rin matanggal ang ginamit mung pen dapat alugin mo ng mapabilis ang pagtunaw ng copper,dapat yan hindi ka aabot ng 10mins sa pagtunaw, minsan nilalagyan ko ng konting mainit na tubig para mapabilis ang pagtunaw. ;)

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #74 on: November 17, 2011, 12:20:00 AM »
pwede rin 'yung hair dryer pang-agitate para may added heat. kung merong hot air or heat gun, mas maganda. ;D
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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #75 on: November 17, 2011, 11:36:39 AM »
with muriatic at aqua oxenada kusang umiinit yung solusyon...;D

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #76 on: November 17, 2011, 12:07:18 PM »
Subukan mo naman sa araw mo ibilad. 1 minute mo ibilad at make sure naman na ang pcb mo eh nakatapat talaga sa araw at lapat na lapat. Ang halo ko ng developer ay .5liter sa isang supot ng developer. Mabilis ito so in 1 minute ok na at litaw na ang artwork mo.

Ito ang result ko. Di ganun kalinis ang edge dahil nga inkjet on ordinary bondpaper lang yan.



Wag ka mawalan ng pagasa. Dati toner din gamit ko kaya lang minsan nga dahil sa toner nagkakaproblema kaya nag presynthesized na din ako. Isa pang reason ay dahil maninipis ang board na nabibili sa deeco at sobrang nipis din ng copper.

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #77 on: November 17, 2011, 12:48:29 PM »
Sa pcb na walang malalapad na plane..maganda talaga pag laser gagamitin..

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #78 on: November 18, 2011, 12:17:56 PM »
with muriatic at aqua oxenada kusang umiinit yung solusyon...;D
hindi ata kusang nainit ang ferric chloride sir Kasam.... :D

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Re: baket d kumakapit sa copper clad ung photopaper ko?
« Reply #79 on: November 18, 2011, 12:25:00 PM »
^muriatic at agua oxynada yata gamit nya talaga sis, wlang ferric chloride.
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