What we can do to boost up the MCU Community?

[glutnix_neo]

I like the suggestions...... 
1)  Free Seminar  ........  8 bit, 16 and 32 bits  MCU
2)  Group Project  ........  why not?   Puwede ako maging Project Manager, hehehehe
3)  Offering Free Sample...........  wow, the best.  Free samples ng mga MCU (8, 16, 32 bits) and accessories, gadgets, free na din ang PCB manufacturing, etc.......  pero medyo mahirap ito in reality...!   Siguro mas realistic kung may :  a) benefactor na mag finance ng isang GROUP PROJECT.   b)  Puwede kaya maka order sa mga popular na electronics store (e-gismo, Alexan, 1diy, Nipahut, RS, Ardyuron, etc...) tapos hulugan ang bayad, 3 gives hehehehe o kaya 5 gives,  no monthly interest, plus additional gift pa ---> exclusive for elab members for Christmas 2010.

ayun may additional gift, hehehe, sir Dandy mukhang matutuloy na pagorder ko this month na, madami OT eh,

[Pro-Engineer]

sa free samples...siguro mayroon naman members sa r&d na may kaibigan sa semicon sales.

ang the best suggestion, group project na makakatulong sa pinoy community.

[1diyMARKET]

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Around the environment I am living now (where a hundreds of Design house along the belt)- there are a lot of Firmware developer 10 years yonger than me, and I am asking myself what could be the reason why these Engineers and software developer improve that MUCH - they don't program MCU to light LEDs, LCD, control a buzzer - -  they do program MCU for real product.

Can we compete with them?  

If no,  how can we improve ourselves to be a better Software developer?
[/quote]

Joke muna tayo,

@Dcore, mayroon ka palang lumang thread,  2008 pa ha, naks naman， Eto dapat ang correct intro eh,
“Around the environment I am living now (where a hundreds of pretty young ladies along the belt)- there are a lot of sexy ladies 10 years younger than me, and I am asking myself what could be the best idea  why these pretties improve that MUCH - they don't wear casual dress, they dress pretty professional,  with matching LEDs, LCD panel with scrolling messages -  they comes with sweet smiles and nice make up.

Can we steal one of them?

If not,  how can I do to have one?


Here is the no-Jokes,   I guess the situation is different now.  We have knowledgeable engineers now who can handle Embedded software programming, 3 years is a big improvement to the Software Industry in the Philippines, since you wrote this.   Congratulations to all, to elab forum.

[1diyMARKET]

In the last few weeks of July 2011,  I am trying to setup a meet up  among Students, teachers, diy, hobbyist, technician, at mga ka-elab natin, filsatters, 1diyteam, Philrobotics, etc……. pero disappointed ako dahil,   “WALA AKONG MAKITA NA LUGAR NA ACCEPTABLE lalu na sa upa”,  kung hindi man 25Kphp pataas eh.    Sa Cavite sana ang place nito’ng August 7, 2011,  1~5 PM,  besides,  sabi sa akin eh,  bagyo daw ngayon sa Cavite.   

Heto sana ang titte :

Leveraging Embedded Software Programming thru diy Learning

Intended para sa next generation students, which will be our best buddies in the next years to come when Philippines is competing with India, china, Korea and Singapore, when the Philippines is the center for IT in Asia.

It is a community service (initiated by 1diyTeam and its friends).   Currently,  still working on the place – iyang lugar na lang ang kulang,  we have contacted different schools/Colleges in the area (mali ata ang English ko at hindi naintindihan),  and of course, invited lahat to come and see and most importantly to Participate,  bring your diy project and product for showcase sa mga students and mga bibisita,  invited din ang Cavite DOST, at iba pang mga sangay ng Education sector.

<mga ka elab na Caviteneo, help naman to find the place, 6 days to search>
 

[marsianpipz]

wow sama ako dyan kahit sa cavite pa yan dadayuhin ko yan hehe wla naman bayad to diba

[1diyMARKET]

wow sama ako dyan kahit sa cavite pa yan dadayuhin ko yan hehe wla naman bayad to diba

Wala po bayad ito,  wala din po Miryenda, hehehehe.  Pero iyong presence niyo po doon, malaki nang support, lalu na kung mayroon kayo project / product na i-demo o display.

[1diyMARKET]

sa free samples...siguro mayroon naman members sa r&d na may kaibigan sa semicon sales.

ang the best suggestion, group project na makakatulong sa pinoy community.

Nice idea po ito sir, kung matutuloy ang meet up sa Cavite this coming sunday,  sige po, natanggap po ng free samples

[1diyMARKET]

still looking for a descent place to have our first Cavite  "Leveraging Embedded Software Programming thru diy Learning",  suggest naman mga taga Cavite lalu na mga nasa Dasmarinias,   baka may mag-sponsor ng lugar, thanks.   Our friends still working to find the place.

[Dandy]

Ooops!  Wala pa rin ba lugar?  naku naman!   

Anyway, the idea is there,  maging materialized or not,  we have the guts and will to do (wala pa din benefactors sa meeting place),  I am hoping this event will come true,  kung hindi eh,  kita kits na lang tayo uli sa Cowboy Grill.

I will join............... sino pa ba a-atttend?.............,  I have the oppurtunity na ipakita ang dinedevelop na Android product (finally gumagana na din after years)

I will demo also my simple Program na LED blinker.

[1diyMARKET]

Sa isang College sa Dasmarinias Cavite, maraming maraming salamat sa iyong response at accomodation, kahit na medyo late na, better late than never, pacensiya na po, nag-divert ang team sa Cebu akala kasi eh wala talagang lugar, saka bagyo pa sa Cavite, buti na lang mayroon pa dalawang team na nakapasyal sa inyo.

Sana, makatulong ang aming simple presentation, this is what we can do to boost up your educational know how  sa larangan ng firmware programming. 

[dummy_c]

Congrats po 1diyMARKET and company and more power po.

Dito sa amin inosente po mga tao specially students when it comes to uC's. No offense, it's just a generalize remark. I was schooling in Dumaguete. I was lucky I invest on a pickit2 last January, it was a hard decision (may butas po wallet ko), buying a pickit2 + shipment fee is like a 1 semester of allowance for me. I'm still very happy and proud I bought it, except for buying the low pin count demo board (still thinking what to do with it, try to swap it for something maybe?). 
As a token for my appreciation to the school that teaches me (except about uC's), I am planning to give a serial programmer and a demo board to the school. I already have the design of the programmer.
I am now working on the demo board. It will be based on PIC16F887 for a ton of reasons. It's cheap and basic but powerful as well as commonly used.

 I am going to use a bootloader on it. Reason?
Bootloaders is much user friendly especially to absolute beginners. It needs only a serial port or a usb-to-serial cable. I am also going to give them a mikroC pro installer, again for a reason of it being a very beginner-friendly. It's bootloader S/W is also nice and easy to use, except it lucks the ability to reset the MCU automatically (via the S/W).

 I already mention these to their forum and they said they are going to address these their design team. MikroC also includes a sample bootloader for PIC16f887 . And PIC16F887 is one of the most common device they use on their examples.

I have already made my second version (the first version was done in a hurry, it's a waste) of the demo board. It is 70x120 cm. I have incorporated a 8bit LED display, LCD, 4 push buttons aside from the reset, 4-digit seven segment display, UART, a PWM output on an LED, and an ADC input using a pot.
By the way, I am trying  to make the expenses as cheap as possible so anyone can afford it to assemble.
Mga masters ano pa ba pwede i-add ko dito sa demo board ko? Any suggestions and critics will be highly appreciated.
Thanks po. 

Aside from the programmer and demo board, I will also give them all the tutorials I collected.

[1diyMARKET]

Congrats po 1diyMARKET and company and more power po.

Dito sa amin inosente po mga tao specially students when it comes to uC's. No offense, it's just a generalize remark. I was schooling in Dumaguete. I was lucky I invest on a pickit2 last January, it was a hard decision (may butas po wallet ko), buying a pickit2 + shipment fee is like a 1 semester of allowance for me. I'm still very happy and proud I bought it, except for buying the low pin count demo board (still thinking what to do with it, try to swap it for something maybe?). 
As a token for my appreciation to the school that teaches me (except about uC's), I am planning to give a serial programmer and a demo board to the school. I already have the design of the programmer.
I am now working on the demo board. It will be based on PIC16F887 for a ton of reasons. It's cheap and basic but powerful as well as commonly used.

 I am going to use a bootloader on it. Reason?
Bootloaders is much user friendly especially to absolute beginners. It needs only a serial port or a usb-to-serial cable. I am also going to give them a mikroC pro installer, again for a reason of it being a very beginner-friendly. It's bootloader S/W is also nice and easy to use, except it lucks the ability to reset the MCU automatically (via the S/W).

 I already mention these to their forum and they said they are going to address these their design team. MikroC also includes a sample bootloader for PIC16f887 . And PIC16F887 is one of the most common device they use on their examples.

I have already made my second version (the first version was done in a hurry, it's a waste) of the demo board. It is 70x120 cm. I have incorporated a 8bit LED display, LCD, 4 push buttons aside from the reset, 4-digit seven segment display, UART, a PWM output on an LED, and an ADC input using a pot.
By the way, I am trying  to make the expenses as cheap as possible so anyone can afford it to assemble.
Mga masters ano pa ba pwede i-add ko dito sa demo board ko? Any suggestions and critics will be highly appreciated.
Thanks po. 

Aside from the programmer and demo board, I will also give them all the tutorials I collected.

Real progress achieve when others do their Share..

[1diyMARKET]

Salamat po, napaka ganda iyong ginawa sa larangan ng pag-aaral ng Micro Controller, iisa ang mission natin,  siguro pati na vision naming na mapa-unlad ang electronics industry sa bansa, hoping to be the center for firmware development in Asia in the next years to come.

Mayroon din kami o established na common platform para mag-aral ng MCU firmware,  ito ang 1diyteam platform  NE2ss.   

http://www.electronicslab.ph/forum/index.php?topic=21888.0

http://www.electronicslab.ph/forum/index.php?topic=27652.0

http://www.electronicslab.ph/forum/index.php?topic=27655.0

Dito, mag-aaral ka ng MCU programming, Hardware Interfacing, systems integration at saka product development thru your own effort, sariling pag-aaral (diy learning), mahal kasi ang pag-aaral lalu na kung dadalo ka ng mga seminar,  personal tutorial, etc, check mo ang Aexan commercial dito sa manila, 6,500 pesos para mag-aral ng MCU.   Sa mga school kasi  (except Masteral),  normally mga basic lang ang itinutoro (correct me if I am wrong).

Dito sa  common platform,  hindi lang basta-basta mag-aral ang matutunan dito, kundi pati na ang successful na steps para sa pag-design ng firmware (software),  itinuturo pa dito kung paano ang proven na Product Development – kasi ang expected  ko  (natin), hindi lang naman tayo mag-aral ng firmware  para makipag-paligsahan sa mga magagaling ng technical, programming, analysis,  simulation, etc….   para masabi na mayroon tayo nalalaman at maipakita na ako ay marunong din ng MCU programming bla bla bla at masabi natin sa mga kapwa natin na ito kaya ko din, mag-aral tayo at ma-implement natin iyan sa progreso ng electronic industry sa bansa natin, makagawa tayo ng isang product na gawang Pilipino o mapaunlad natin ang industry,  hindi lang sa mga ipinapakita natin dito na prototype natin  kundi ma-i-market natin at makilala  (in exemption sa mga true blooded hobbyist na talaga’ng being happy of knowing the technical know how only), ma –attract natin ang mga investor na piliin uli tayo para  magpagawa ng mga projects, sub-contract developer, etc..and in return mayroon tayong trabaho at source of income na magpapasaya sa mga loves natin sa buhay.   

Ang NE2ss learning platform ay step by step:
1.    Control natin mga hardware, paganahin ang bawat hardware, gaya ng buzzer, lcd, led, PIR sensor
2.    Pagkatapos mapagana isa-isa ang mga hardware,  subukan natin pagdugtu-dugtungin ang mga simple program, gagawa tayo ng isang buong program para makagawa ng isang syste,
3.   Of course, mayroon tayo software bug diyan,  ngayon, paano natin i-handle ang mga software bug?

Ang pagaaral ng firmware, pati na din ng hardware, systems integration at saka product development, naka sentro sa Personal Home Security systems.   At the end of the diy learning,  mayroon kang nabuo na systems,  ito ang simple Home Security Project (SHSP).

Dahil, karamihan sa atin ay gusto gumawa din ng sariling gawa,   its good,  mayroon ka na pattern kung paano ang successful na Project Development.   

Minsan, nawawala ang isang STARTER, nagsisimula pa lang sa firmware development,  pero gusto na gumawa ng mga project na high tech, hehehehehehe, kung baga, gusto na tumakbo kaagad,  nawala na iyong step by step ----- dito sa common platform learning naming,  ipinapakita ang step by step na procedure,  from documentation,  defining features, execution, testing,  etc…….. etc…  and the most imnprtant,   to share it in the name of Educations,  ika nga

“shine likes a candle to our new comers software/firmware developer”


the NE2ss Learning platform is heavily documented,  it takes years to wrote it,  thanks to the author, the groups and individuals, man and women behind it.

[1diyMARKET]

I have already made my second version (the first version was done in a hurry, it's a waste) of the demo board. It is 70x120 cm. I have incorporated a 8bit LED display, LCD, 4 push buttons aside from the reset, 4-digit seven segment display, UART, a PWM output on an LED, and an ADC input using a pot.
By the way, I am trying  to make the expenses as cheap as possible so anyone can afford it to assemble.
Mga masters ano pa ba pwede i-add ko dito sa demo board ko? Any suggestions and critics will be highly appreciated.
Thanks po. 

Aside from the programmer and demo board, I will also give them all the tutorials I collected.

Our NE2ss learning platfrom is now in the making for  NE2ss-PIC version.   We are inviting the community to join us in the development of this "another Learning Kit",  a continuation of our common platfrom learning,   hindi lang 8051, AVR ang mapag-aaralan mo kundi, pati na ang PIC mcu,   we have now the NE2ss-PIC working group, students, R&D and marketing.

Sir, you can join us, we hope you can be our offocial team force,  to empower us.    for your trainer, maybe, you can plug in your daughter board into the NE2ss hardware and make it work,  making all cost effective, since,  one platfrom, you can learn 4 types of MCUs, AVR, 8051 standard, 8051 high speed  & PIC.

we will be adding new features in this platform,  like Temperature display,  Infrared, light sensors and hopefully to add GSM / Internet connectivity for remote control Monitoring.

to our friends out there,
We appreciate those individuals,  groups and other bodies who are working jointly and/or independently to improve the quality of firmware programming and product development in the country.   

[dummy_c]

   
Minsan, nawawala ang isang STARTER, nagsisimula pa lang sa firmware development,  pero gusto na gumawa ng mga project na high tech, hehehehehehe, kung baga, gusto na tumakbo kaagad,  nawala na iyong step by step ----- dito sa common platform learning naming,  ipinapakita ang step by step na procedure,  from documentation,  defining features, execution, testing,  etc…….. etc…  and the most imnprtant,   to share it in the name of Educations,  ika nga

I agree that the NE2ss would be a perfect dev board. Much better than the large and very expensive dev board out there. The NE2ss also has a very attractive price. But in our school, a uC is really an unexplored territory. Imagine students would rather choose logic gates over uC's. Convincing them to buy a demo board which cost over or more than 1K would need a 1 year debate.
It even took me more than 6 months in convincing our chairman that I will use a uC for my project study. But amazingly after completing my project, our chairman is now starting to suggest using uC for thesis and to projects for lower years students. And seriously, PIC16F887 costs php500 here (only one store has it) most probably because nobody is buying it.
That is why I am making my dev board very simple and very user friendly and cheap. Just to give them a glimpse of what uC's are and at the same time may experiment with the basic features that is included on the PIC16F887. Then maybe next year they will be more willing to invest on a better dev board like the NE2ss.   

[1diyMARKET]

And seriously, PIC16F887 costs php500 here (only one store has it) most probably because nobody is buying it.

The price is too much, in reference to other province, but of course it is just right in reference to your place.

One story reminded me of my friend, a true to life story happened in his college days,  the uAce of Alexan which is a MCU Learning board, it cost 16Kphp  sometimes in the late 1980's,  if you buy a Mc6805 at that time,  it cost also 350php up,   money at those days is important, a 350php last for 1.5 to 2 weeks allowance already (for a common college students in the rural area).   Even he has a big big determination to buy and learn MCU,  he cannot due to price obstacle.    If other  store will offer cheap solution, like at those days, 8051 is popular and most used in product in the market,  kaso wala naman (where as India at those days are offering MCU programing at level 4 high school),  that makes the environment less exposure to MCU and Firmware development.

I really appreciate your initiative and effort, if I can be of help to your needs,  please do not hesitate to contact me.

[dummy_c]

Overprice talaga..pati max232 ay 250 petot.

I am buying directly to microchip and that permits me to sell the PIC16F887 for 160 petot. I am not after the money, just enough profit for the shipment and to make a couple of dev boards.

I was so lucky because a guy from microchip allows me to use samples of more than a dozen PICs of two types (16F887 & 16F628a )absolutely free of charge. Not even paying the $7 processing fee.
He helped me, a student a thousand miles a way. Why can't we help our fellow students na nagsisimula pa lang? Even selling a uC as cheap as possible can already help.

I really appreciate your initiative and effort, if I can be of help to your needs,  please do not hesitate to contact me.

Thanks a lot sir.. I also really do appreciate what you offer. Sana in the future the school will support the students here so we could afford maybe seminars or better and complete dev boards.

[_basura_man()]

sana may murang dev board para makaafford naman ako,mahal kasi pagawa ng PCB kasi wala namang PCB manufacturer sa pinas kaya mahal ang dev kit mas mura pang bumili sa labas kaysa gumawa,group buy siguro para magmura ang MCU at dev kit kung may discount sayang din naman,isa pang dahilan kaya may dahil sa customs naten pabili nalang tayo sa labas at ideclare na scraps 

[1diyMARKET]

sana may murang dev board para makaafford naman ako,mahal kasi pagawa ng PCB kasi wala namang PCB manufacturer sa pinas kaya mahal ang dev kit mas mura pang bumili sa labas kaysa gumawa,group buy siguro para magmura ang MCU at dev kit kung may discount sayang din naman,isa pang dahilan kaya may dahil sa customs naten pabili nalang tayo sa labas at ideclare na scraps 

anong development board po ba hinahanap niyo?

good idea, group buy, pero mas maganda kung may mag-donate.

custom?  wala na ako masabi pa sa kanila

[your most RIDICULOUS man :)]

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