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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2008, 05:30:57 AM »
Quote from: julznc on April 06, 2008, 01:07:18 AM

3% lang ?  :o
kung P500 bill namin, 15 petot lang matitipid..  :(


eheheh...dagdag kanalang ng konti pambili na ng isang kilong bigas...mahal na ng bigas ngaun eh...but the problem is kung magkano ung product and gagastusin sa circuit...kung monthly un...hmm parang wala rin silbi kasi mostly lahat nagmamahal na.............. :o
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2008, 12:02:22 AM »
hmmm pero nakaka pag save ka ba talaga pag gumamit ka ng ganun??
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2008, 12:02:22 AM »

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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2008, 01:44:22 AM »
Pls take note that introduction of the capacitance in the AC line would only introduce power savings when an inductance is present.  Inductance can be generated through flourescent bulbs with ballasts, electric fan motors, refrigerator motors, aircon compressors and transformers stepup or stepdowns.  Voltage stored in the capacitor will be drained by these inductors instead of getting it all in the AC line.   Absence of inductance in the whole circuit will extract more power utilizing more kwh usage.

Puede na ba akong salesman sa Ace Hardware, haha...
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2008, 05:56:27 PM »
Oo alam ko na nakakapag save ka pag may capacitor gasa mga compressor nag ref may bilog sa tabi nya cap. yun diba pati sa mga water pumps ^_^
yung mga power saver n na bibili ang sinasabi ko kasi my na basa ako na parang wala lang ung circuit may nag sabi rin na 4.7 uf lng daw...??
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2008, 05:56:27 PM »

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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2008, 06:08:57 PM »
yung capacitor sa compressors, pumps starter capacitor siya parang sa electric fan...hindi aandar yung motor pag wala yun... ;)

pag pinakita kasi sa harap mo yung Power Saver na may lamang capacitor Ammeter ang gagamitin nila...average house loads, inductive...kapag kinabit yung "Power Saver daw" bababa yung current sa ammeter, dahil mahihila nung capacitor, pero hindi bababa ang "true power" consumption...

na-explain na ata 'to sa isa pang thread somewhere here...
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2008, 06:08:57 PM »

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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2008, 06:51:49 PM »
Quote from: bmall on April 09, 2008, 01:44:22 AM
Pls take note that introduction of the capacitance in the AC line would only introduce power savings when an inductance is present.  Inductance can be generated through flourescent bulbs with ballasts, electric fan motors, refrigerator motors, aircon compressors and transformers stepup or stepdowns.  Voltage stored in the capacitor will be drained by these inductors instead of getting it all in the AC line.   Absence of inductance in the whole circuit will extract more power utilizing more kwh usage.

Puede na ba akong salesman sa Ace Hardware, haha...

Sadly, this is not true. The capacitors is only use for power factor correction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor

I think the first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created and destroyed.  Thus it will be breaking a fundamental Law of Physics.

And power meters at home measures TRUE POWER. See here http://themeterguy.com/Theory/watthour_meter.htm and read the previous posts on this thread.  Power factor correction only matters during distribution (with Transco). This is due to higher current when power factor is below 1.0.

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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2008, 06:54:44 PM »
Quote from: michael256 on April 09, 2008, 05:56:27 PM
Oo alam ko na nakakapag save ka pag may capacitor gasa mga compressor nag ref may bilog sa tabi nya cap. yun diba pati sa mga water pumps ^_^
yung mga power saver n na bibili ang sinasabi ko kasi my na basa ako na parang wala lang ung circuit may nag sabi rin na 4.7 uf lng daw...??

Capacitor in fans and compressors are used as STARTING caps due to its single phase nature.  On 3 phase AC motors, these caps are omitted.
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2008, 09:10:28 PM »
Capacitor usually used to compensate the effect of inductive load.

Power factor is the angle "factor" between Voltage and Current wave.

Inductive loads makes the Current (sinewave) leads the Voltage (sinewave) by a certain degrees.
Capacitor loads makes the Current (sinewave) lags the Voltage (sinewave) by a certain degrees.

Sa electrical kasi they separate the Current and the Voltage wave for analysis.
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2008, 09:14:33 PM »
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Quote from: arcadeo on April 09, 2008, 09:10:28 PM
Capacitor usually used to compensate the effect of inductive load.

Power factor is the angle "factor" between Voltage and Current wave.

Inductive loads makes the Current (sinewave) leads the Voltage (sinewave) by a certain degrees.
Capacitor loads makes the Current (sinewave) lags the Voltage (sinewave) by a certain degrees.

Sa electrical kasi they separate the Current and the Voltage wave for analysis.

When the Current wave is in Unity with the Voltage wave, thats what they call 100% efficient or unity power factor (1.00)
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2008, 10:51:22 PM »
ah ganun pala..^_^
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2008, 02:34:12 PM »
Quote from: blastronics on April 05, 2008, 11:42:50 PM
Eto na po yung picture! di ko na pinakita yung harap, basta yan yung nasa ace hardware...2000php






Please observe that the capacitor is connected in parallel with the AC line. So its obvious na decoration lang yung mga LED para masabi na operational yung device. tsk! naloko ata ako dun! :'( :'(






yung ic po na yan, cd4017 decade counter...




Capacitor nga!




unless this is used on a 450V AC circuit, the capacitor wont be worth 4.7 microfarad. it will be much much less if used on a 230V circuit. no danger of frying it though....
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2008, 04:17:11 PM »
Wala naman talagang power saving device kundi ikaw mismo ang magcontrol ng consumption mo. Yung power factor correction mo has ABSOLUTELY NO ADVANTAGE on your part. Actually , if you correct your pf, ang makikinabang ay ang utility company hindi ikaw.  Bakit? .....
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #52 on: April 14, 2008, 04:31:54 PM »
smaller wires and smaller transformers for them... ;D
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2008, 06:08:47 PM »
Quote from: Uncle Ho on April 14, 2008, 04:17:11 PM
...Actually , if you correct your pf, ang makikinabang ay ang utility company hindi ikaw.  Bakit? .....
bakit po, tito ? ???
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #54 on: April 14, 2008, 10:44:58 PM »
guess ko lang........kasi naka parallel yong outlet mo, sa outlet ng buong barangay hanggang sa abot coverage ng common distribution transformer ninyo, at ikaw ang gumagastos sa power factor correction......tama ba Uncle Ho??
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2008, 07:35:41 AM »
Quote from: arcadeo on April 14, 2008, 10:44:58 PM
guess ko lang........kasi naka parallel yong outlet mo, sa outlet ng buong barangay hanggang sa abot coverage ng common distribution transformer ninyo, at ikaw ang gumagastos sa power factor correction......tama ba Uncle Ho??

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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2008, 01:20:07 PM »
13- ways of Very Effective solution of power expenditure 80-100% saving

Hi novice ako sa electronic pero nun binasa ko mga thread dito about power saving consumption
ay isa lang naisip ko. kapag plug nyo capacitor kailangan nya rin ng power consumption para magcharge siya
tapos idedrain ng mga device nyo sa bahay.tapos recharge uli capacitor kailangan nya uli
kumuha ng kuryente na dumaan sa meter.

meron ako naisip galing pa ito kay sa utak ni newton at albert, pinag-isa utak
nila napunta sakin. bago invention ito galing sa utak ko,hwag nyo ipababasa sa mga chinese at
japanese baka unahan tayo sa pag-gawa, ito ang mga step subok na ito at pati kayo
sure ako masasabing tama ako.

14- way of Very Effective solution of power consumption

1. kuha kayo ng capacitor ikabit nyo don sa wire before sa meter (bahala na kau kung pano idedrain nakarecharge)
2. kuha kayo ng wire ikabit nyo uli before sa meter, lagyan ng female plug marami socket don
   isaksak mga male plug sa bahay nyo.
3. baklasin meter nyo, palitan nyo reprogram nyo IC babaan nyo ang rate operation
4. if analog meter nyo, palitan nyo 0 (zero) lahat ng number
5. putulin mga plug ng appliances nyo.
6. ikabit line connection nyo sa meter ng kapitbahay nyo
7. maging aware sa mga kumakatok sa bahay nyo.
8. pagkatapos ng 1 up 6 procedure, pumunta sa judge at mag-paiba kayo ng pangalan at ibinta nyo bahay nyo.
9. gumawa kayo ng nuclear power plant sa loob ng bahay (kikita pa kayo nito)
10. gumawa ng windmill generator, hipan nyo para umikot
11. gumawa ng solar power plant, upuan nyo na parang naglililim ng itlog para gumana
12. gumawa ng manual generator yung hindi gumagamit ng gasolina, lagyan ng handle para
    iikot, iikot nyo magdamag para gumana
13. Magtayo ng bahay malapit bulkan, gamawa ng geothermal power plant, o kaya maghukay hanggang
    umabot sa gitna ng earth,bigyan ako ng mga diamond na makukuha sa gitna ng earth
14. kumuha ng malaki DENAMO, ikabit sa makinang umiikot, kukuha ng kuryente ang makina sa denamo,
    tapos ang denamo naman ay gagana dahil sa pag-ikot nag makina.

diko pa nasusubukan pero very effective.

Bahala kayo kung maniniwala kayo sakin,kayo parin may dala ng sarili nyo.
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2008, 01:37:33 PM »
ha ha ha ha ha ha  :D :D :D

sa totoo lang ang penalty pag nalaman ng power utility na may illegal saver ang isang bahay, katakot takot na backpay ang mangyayari sa may ari ng bahay, kasi sila ang may right na magkompyut kung magkano ang babayaran na backpay dahil sa illegal na saver. Baka maipagbili na ang bahay, kulang pa don sa babayaran he he he he.

at ang malupit nito they have the right na hindi kana nila bigyan ng power o kuryente for rest of the life of your house o building. Kaya magiging unique ngayon yong bahay naka generator palagi ha ha ha ha 
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #58 on: May 14, 2008, 10:49:10 AM »
Power saver typically a Power factor corrector. Mas effective kng mostly inductive loads or motors (a/c, washing machine.etc). try to see how it works sa
http://falstad.com/circuit/index.html, find the power factor circuit. U can see pag wala ung capacitor at pag part ng circuit.
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Re: POWER saveR, How it works...any schematic?
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2008, 01:38:14 AM »
Quote from: alyas on March 04, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
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                     |              |
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                   ===      |  LED Lights   |
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So ibig sabihin, you paid  approx 2000 pesos for   1 capacitor,  led lights, a few wires, ic, a few other parts, and casing? 
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