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WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« on: July 12, 2009, 03:08:34 PM »
guyz help naman,,, balak ko kc bumili ng spwaker woofer gor my KONZERT 502a..

ng'inquire ako sa raon den sabi nung guy meron daw silang 12" woofer 350watts..
ndi ko alm kung nominal or peak.. may ngsabi sakin if walng nakalagay na nominal or peak, peak na un!

balak ko kc bumili ng woofer rating 350 watts na may peak power pah.. ano much better 350 watts or peak??
ang alm ko kc sa  nominal, 350watts nominal eh ung normal wattage n kaya ibigay ng speaker..
sa peak naman, ung max power un ung pinaka-todo na power na ibibigay ng speaker.. so ano mas malakas at mganda, ung nominal watts or peak power????

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WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2009, 03:26:05 PM »
^of course nominal :) may headroom pa for peak
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2009, 04:15:10 PM »
mraming salamat RaffT!

need 2x12" 350watts each.. local brand woofer..
suggest if sakaling my alm la bro.. 

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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2009, 04:21:35 PM »

 try mo kaya TARGA..
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2009, 01:09:53 PM »
sir RaffT, nakabili knb ng targa?? need ko kasi is 15" woofer 500watts nominal..

estimate price naman sir if my idea ka..,,




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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2009, 01:50:26 PM »
sandali san mo ba gagamitin yang speaker

para sa kin nominal ang maganda

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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2009, 03:32:08 PM »
mga sir e2 po ung guideline sa rating ng mga speaker,

 continuous power rating/RMS - pwede po sbihin din ntin e2 ung thermal rating ng voice coil ng speaker or how much the speaker's voice coil can take without burning up, mas malaki diameter ng voice coil mas mataas ang kyang ihandle ng speaker, kc mas malaki ung thermal surface (area) ng voice coil at motor assembly para madissipate ung init ng voice coil. At 2% conversion efficiency po ng speaker, ung iba po ay heat nacoconvert.

 program/music power rating or nominal - usually twice ng continuous power rating hence only 3dB higher compared to continuous rating, very typical po sa dynamic range music ntin (processed)

 peak power-usually 3 to 4 times higher than continuous power rating, e2 nman ay rating ng mechanical limit ng speaker nyo.Ang nagdidikta po d2 ay ung suspension at Xmax (voice coil overhang) ng speaker nyo. Ung voice coil ng speaker kya po nya maghandle very high burst of power at a limited time lasting about a few milliseconds without considerable heating up ng voice coil.But those high burst of power means higher voltage drive from the amplifier hence higher excursions.

 power compression- phenomena po e2 sa speaker, kc when the voice coil heats up tumataas po ung dc resistance (Re) ng voice coil, hence lumiliit din po ung current na inaabsorb ng speaker, thus reducing power. ung malalaki ang voice coil na speaker mas maliit ung power compression mga 1dB to 2dB, kc madali nila nadidisipate ung init.While smaller voice coils are around 3dB. Kung ang power amplifier nyo ay my rating na 100Watt at ang power compression ng speaker nyo ay nsa 3dB it means 50watts lng ung naidedeliver ng amplifier nyo sa load.

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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2009, 04:15:11 PM »
its better that you calculate first the voltege potential of your konzert AV502a para mlaman mo talaga ang maximum power na kaya nya madeliver sa speaker na gagamitin mo for 4 ohm or 8 ohm speakers then after that you can select the proper speaker for it.

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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2009, 04:51:52 PM »
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2009, 04:52:47 PM »
mga sir e2 po ung guideline sa rating ng mga speaker,

 continuous power rating/RMS - pwede po sbihin din ntin e2 ung thermal rating ng voice coil ng speaker or how much the speaker's voice coil can take without burning up, mas malaki diameter ng voice coil mas mataas ang kyang ihandle ng speaker, kc mas malaki ung thermal surface (area) ng voice coil at motor assembly para madissipate ung init ng voice coil. At 2% conversion efficiency po ng speaker, ung iba po ay heat nacoconvert.

 program/music power rating or nominal - usually twice ng continuous power rating hence only 3dB higher compared to continuous rating, very typical po sa dynamic range music ntin (processed)

 peak power-usually 3 to 4 times higher than continuous power rating, e2 nman ay rating ng mechanical limit ng speaker nyo.Ang nagdidikta po d2 ay ung suspension at Xmax (voice coil overhang) ng speaker nyo. Ung voice coil ng speaker kya po nya maghandle very high burst of power at a limited time lasting about a few milliseconds without considerable heating up ng voice coil.But those high burst of power means higher voltage drive from the amplifier hence higher excursions.

 power compression- phenomena po e2 sa speaker, kc when the voice coil heats up tumataas po ung dc resistance (Re) ng voice coil, hence lumiliit din po ung current na inaabsorb ng speaker, thus reducing power. ung malalaki ang voice coil na speaker mas maliit ung power compression mga 1dB to 2dB, kc madali nila nadidisipate ung init.While smaller voice coils are around 3dB. Kung ang power amplifier nyo ay my rating na 100Watt at ang power compression ng speaker nyo ay nsa 3dB it means 50watts lng ung naidedeliver ng amplifier nyo sa load.

sana po makatulong

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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2009, 04:53:38 PM »
ako po ay nagagalak sa inyong mga mungkahi at suhestiyon..
ngunit ako'y baguhan lamang sa larangang ito at wala pang maxadong nalalaman tungkol sa
guideline rating ng speaker, voltege potential o kung ano pa man.. inyong ipagpaumanhin
ang aking pagkawalang alam sa mga bagay na inyong sinasabi..

Nais ko lamang sana ay bumuo o magkaroon ng isang munti,maliit na set up na tama lamang
para sa isang maliit na outdoor party, maliit na PA.. nais ko sanang bumili ng isang 15" 500watts nominal
na woofer.. oo tama kayo, isa lang..! gawa ng ako'y istudyante lamang at sapat lang ang aking naiipon para dito.

Kung isa kayo sa mga nakabili o bumili na ng piniratang cd sa muslim, gnun sana ang nais kong setup..
Ung IBA MAHINA, ung IBA MALAKAS.. 15" hornloaded sana ang nais ko.. HINDI BA" MALAKAS???

Ang nais ko lamang marinig ay kung ako ba ay bibili ng woofer malaki man o maliit ang wattage,
ano ba dapat kong isaalang-alang PAGDATING SA WATTAGE,, NOMINAL o MAXIMUM???

ex1: 350 watts nominal ????? peak

ex2: 350 watts maximum


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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2009, 04:58:53 PM »
PAHABOL LAMANGH....


Hindi mo katulad na katulad sa muslim ang aking nais..
ang aking sinasabi ay halimbabwa lamang..

15" hornloaded marahil ay nakakita na kau nito sa raon..
ISANG PIRASO LAMANG NG 15" hornloaded ang nasin ko..



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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2009, 05:02:03 PM »
Bro, Eto na lang - Kung ang power rating ng Konzert 502 mo ay 350W rms or less get the
speaker with 350Watts nominal kasi sigurado ang peak power nyan mas mataas pa.
Safe ka na. Pasensya na di ko alam ang rating ng Konzert 502 kaya ikaw na mag check.
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2009, 05:09:03 PM »
>>TinTopHack

wala kaso sakin un sir, dagdag impormasyon din yun sa akin.

maraming salamat nga pla sa iyong suhestiyon..!  :D
ang rating ng aking amp ay 250 + 250 RMS

un nga sana ang nais ko.. kung bibili ako ng speaker ay mataas na kaunti ang nominal rating ng speaker sa aking amp.. gaya nga ng iyong sinabi sigurado't mas malakas ang peal power rating nun.. mas maigi, mas maganda, mas malakas!


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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2009, 05:11:22 PM »
Bro another suggestion - Please avoid connecting the word Muslim to pirate CDs, etc.
Not all Muslims are like that. Some of us Christians or other non-Chrsstians are doing the same pirate business too.

We do have Muslim brothers and sisters who are reading this forum. It is not fair to them.
Let us not generalize what we see in Raon. Thank you for your understanding.

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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2009, 05:36:09 PM »
bro,,i consider mo rin yung Brand ng bibilhin mo...kahit pare pareho ng wattage yan..iba iba performance.

base sa experience ko sa 502, hindi ko sya tinotodo sirain  yan.lagyan mo blower.
3/4 lang ng volume ang kainaman...200watts na woofer ok.(konzert mas ok).

pigil ang tunog nyan pag mataas na watts,,,hindi rin ako nagagandahan pag walang Equalizer..

::gusto mo actual test mo sa Raon bago ka bumili.
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2009, 06:03:23 PM »
 maraming salamat po mga sir sa points, Hmmm so party pla ang appllication, dapat DJ setup ang gamit mo, iba din ang P.A. setup. my mga subtleties ng kaunti ang setup. In other words High Power Music Playback ang nais mo. kalimitan sa setup na yan dual 15 ang gamit, sa low frequency augmentation band pass ang subwoofer para gumugulong ang bass ala car audio, kung gagamit ka ng hornloaded instead na classic bass reflex, taas efficiency mo by 12% kso my catch directional na ung speaker system mo, narrow ang coverage sa audience, kung dual 12 ang gamit ma ear fatigue ka nman kc klimitan sa d12 my raising mid hi response. e2 set up ko sa garage 2 pcs. Community CSX57 at 2 pcs. clone na EV MTL2. high power music playback. pki google na lng ang pics .
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2009, 06:39:24 PM »
                                                Ipagpaumanhin mo sir TinTopHack


Ipagpaumanhin mo sa lahat ng kapatid nating muslim dito..
ako po'y nagkamali ng pagbanggit at hindi nisaayos ang aking mga sinabi..

Hindi po lahat ng muslim..

Ung iba lang po at ung ibang mga christian.. PUMANHIN PO..

                                                     
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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2009, 06:56:11 PM »
sir nath630,,

cgro knya knya lang ng expiryensya sa 502a.. ako ay nangalap ng mga expiryensya ng ibat-ibang
member sa kabilang website tungkol sa 502a.. ayon sa isang miyembro nang naturang site,

--"syempre most probably naka hook dun eh malaking speakers pero yung sa akin kasi before ko bilihin sa tower speakers nila naka hook-up nilakasan ko kahit out-door eh bumabayo yung tower nila, alam ko dai-ichi yung spkrs piano gloss black na may woofer sa gilid. then sabi ko i try din sa 2way hornloaded 15", at ayun parang pang mobile na sa lakas"

ETO PAH..

--"parehas ko tnry eh pero dipende kung saan mo talga gagamitin since yun sa akin I mainly used it for parties and outdoor applications kaya mas prefered ko itry sa PA speakers pang out door kaya I opt to try sa 15"nchers, pero for me kasi kahit 12" kayang kaya na pang bugbugan outdoor"

--"hindi naman, bale whafedale-pro yung brand nun speaker na 15"

base sa expiryensiya mo sa 502a, ako'y nalulungkot at PARANG hindi lumabas ang tunay na tunog ng 502a mo.. mayroon din kasing ibang miyembro na nakabili ng 502a ay depekto.. hindi sa pisikal pero sa tunog at lakas ng ampli.. ako' gumagalang sa iyong sinabi at karanasan sa 502a ngunit hindi gnyan ang inaasahan ng karamihan.. ng ngkaroon ng amp na yan.. salamat nga pala sir sa iyong pag' bigay ng maikling karanasan sa iyong amp..

sa uulitin...



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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2009, 10:05:34 PM »
 +1 para kay nath630,,,

 mayroong punto si sir nath630.. kung kukuha ako ng speaker wattage mas mainam na kumuha ako ayon sa nominal na wattage ng aking..

ex: ni sir nath630, AMP-350watts nominal/RMS kaya naaayon na bumili ako ng speaker na mayroong nominal/RMS wattage na 350-400watts nominal sabi nga ng isang miyembro dito, may headroom pa para sa peak power..


Maaaring po kayong mg'komento ayon sa sinabi ni sir nath630



                                                                                                         
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