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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2009, 11:34:09 AM »
ayos ang talakayan ah

wel totoo yan ibat ibang experience

dami na akong naencounter na Konzert 502a

minsan may nagkaiba sa performance dahil ibat ibang supplier

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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2009, 06:53:17 PM »
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2009, 08:31:58 AM »
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2009, 09:30:31 AM »
ako po ay nagagalak sa inyong mga mungkahi at suhestiyon..
ngunit ako'y baguhan lamang sa larangang ito at wala pang maxadong nalalaman tungkol sa
guideline rating ng speaker, voltege potential o kung ano pa man.. inyong ipagpaumanhin
ang aking pagkawalang alam sa mga bagay na inyong sinasabi..

Nais ko lamang sana ay bumuo o magkaroon ng isang munti,maliit na set up na tama lamang
para sa isang maliit na outdoor party, maliit na PA.. nais ko sanang bumili ng isang 15" 500watts nominal
na woofer.. oo tama kayo, isa lang..! gawa ng ako'y istudyante lamang at sapat lang ang aking naiipon para dito.

Kung isa kayo sa mga nakabili o bumili na ng piniratang cd sa muslim, gnun sana ang nais kong setup..
Ung IBA MAHINA, ung IBA MALAKAS.. 15" hornloaded sana ang nais ko.. HINDI BA" MALAKAS???

Ang nais ko lamang marinig ay kung ako ba ay bibili ng woofer malaki man o maliit ang wattage,
ano ba dapat kong isaalang-alang PAGDATING SA WATTAGE,, NOMINAL o MAXIMUM???

ex1: 350 watts nominal ????? peak

ex2: 350 watts maximum



hello...

ganito lang yan  ang konzert AV502a ay may voltage of potential na 50volts.

Ohms law/power law

P=ExE/R

p= 50x50/8ohm

p=312.5  watts

so ibig sabihin ang konzert AV502a mo ay may peak power n 312.5 watts sa 8ohm na speaker.
masyado na mataas ang 500watt 8 ohm na speaker .

350watts 8 ohm peak ay ok na with nominal of 300watts. kahit i full volume mo pa ang AV502a gamit ang 500watts na speaker talagang nasa 315watts lang yan at sa power level na yan nasa clipping state na ang amp.

pero kung hindi ka manghihinayang sa presyo ng 500watt ay ok lang. mas ok na rin na may kunti kang matutunan.

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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2009, 09:37:51 AM »
^peak power yan ha hindi RMS
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2009, 09:37:51 AM »

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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2009, 10:50:57 AM »
bro,,i consider mo rin yung Brand ng bibilhin mo...kahit pare pareho ng wattage yan..iba iba performance.

bro Speaker sinasabi ko dito..iba iba ng brand iba rin performance...kahit pareho wattage.
PAKINGGAN mo AKTWAL mapapansin mo.



base sa experience ko sa 502, hindi ko sya tinotodo sirain  yan.lagyan mo blower.
3/4 lang ng volume ang kainaman...200watts na woofer ok.(konzert mas ok).


share ko lang kung pano ko gumamit...kahit kelan di ko tinotodo sagad ang amp(pwersado).
kung gusto ko 300watts..gawa ako 500watts..

kung todohan at babaran ang gusto mo...SUBUKAN mo pero hindi sa 200watts na sinasabi ko..
lagyan mo ng Blower o hindi nasa sayo yun..kung panatag ka sa amp mo.



pigil ang tunog nyan pag mataas na watts,,,hindi rin ako nagagandahan pag walang Equalizer..

::gusto mo actual test mo sa Raon bago ka bumili.

SUBUKAN mo Boss sa AKtwal at pakinggan mo..hindi dumudugong ilong ang makikinig..Tenga.







sir nath630,,

base sa expiryensiya mo sa 502a, ako'y nalulungkot at PARANG hindi lumabas ang tunay na tunog ng 502a mo.. mayroon din kasing ibang miyembro na nakabili ng 502a ay depekto.. hindi sa pisikal pero sa tunog at lakas ng ampli.. ako' gumagalang sa iyong sinabi at karanasan sa 502a ngunit hindi gnyan ang inaasahan ng karamihan.. ng ngkaroon ng amp na yan.. salamat nga pala sir sa iyong pag' bigay ng maikling karanasan sa iyong amp..

sa uulitin...




OK ang TUNOG at malakas...ang payo ko ay tungkol sa paggamit..maglibot ka sa mga Shop at karamihan 502 ang laman...nasunog..
BUmabayo...binababad...ang tanong hanggang kelan?

@boss ghomer
praktikal lang maibibigay kong payo...pagtiyagaan mo na..

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bago ka mabaliw sa makadugong ILONG na teknikal na paliwanag.. ;D

madali lang problema mo...base na rin sa  experience mo.. :D

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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2009, 11:03:06 AM »
hello...

ganito lang yan  ang konzert AV502a ay may voltage of potential na 50volts.

Ohms law/power law

P=ExE/R

p= 50x50/8ohm

p=312.5  watts

so ibig sabihin ang konzert AV502a mo ay may peak power n 312.5 watts sa 8ohm na speaker.
masyado na mataas ang 500watt 8 ohm na speaker .

350watts 8 ohm peak ay ok na with nominal of 300watts. kahit i full volume mo pa ang AV502a gamit ang 500watts na speaker talagang nasa 315watts lang yan at sa power level na yan nasa clipping state na ang amp.

pero kung hindi ka manghihinayang sa presyo ng 500watt ay ok lang. mas ok na rin na may kunti kang matutunan.

 naku nsa 100watts lng cguro kung ung drive ng VAS ay rail to rail at ung power output stage wlang 5Vce sat he he he
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2009, 11:07:30 AM »
naku nsa 100watts lng cguro kung ung drive ng VAS ay rail to rail at ung power output stage wlang 5Vce sat he he he

tama sir 100watts rms lang Konzert502

50 volts lang eh hehehe

wala pa akong nakitang konzert na lumagpas sa

150 watts rms ang design (maliban sa orig K-series)

kungsbagay ang mga amps na yun ay PMPO lang ;D
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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2009, 11:28:36 AM »
 yan sir K series pwede, myron ako d2 2 pcs. K10. 150+/-Vcc high rail, 75+/-Vcc low rail. Class H. maganda din xa 2munog tigas lng mag bass
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2009, 11:43:33 AM »
+1 para kay nath630,,,

 mayroong punto si sir nath630.. kung kukuha ako ng speaker wattage mas mainam na kumuha ako ayon sa nominal na wattage ng aking..

ex: ni sir nath630, AMP-350watts nominal/RMS kaya naaayon na bumili ako ng speaker na mayroong nominal/RMS wattage na 350-400watts nominal sabi nga ng isang miyembro dito, may headroom pa para sa peak power..


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GUYZ, patawad si sir TinTopHack palang suggestion toh.. hehe! MAGALING!

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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2009, 11:46:13 AM »
History according to those who have used Konzert amps:

"OK ang TUNOG at malakas...ang payo ko ay tungkol sa paggamit..maglibot ka sa mga Shop at karamihan 502 ang laman...nasunog..
BUmabayo...binababad...ang tanong hanggang kelan?"



Just my 2 cents worth of comment:

I have never used or heard these Konzert amps kasi all amps I have inassemble ko lang. So kung ganyan ang history ng Konzert amps - I suggest forget it - and make your own.

Sabi nga ni Randy Slone "You want better audio performance and reliability? Build it yourself."

I think building it yourself, is worth all the effort, the cost and the learning needed to get such high audio performance and reliability.


The world, as everybody knows, is analog; unless, of course, it's digitized.

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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2009, 11:48:45 AM »
uy
GUYZ, patawad si sir TinTopHack palang suggestion toh.. hehe! MAGALING!


Heheheh! OK lang, Bro. Importante nakakatulong kami.
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« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2009, 11:54:21 AM »
 well just my 2 cents din
 
 mahilig din kc sir ako mag hot rod ng mga amps cguro pwede pa patibayin output stage o kya i AC coupled nyo he he he (labo mo AM). Kc at that price my chassis, preamp at tone control na kyo.
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« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2009, 11:59:34 AM »
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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2009, 12:00:48 PM »
well just my 2 cents din
 
 mahilig din kc sir ako mag hot rod ng mga amps cguro pwede pa patibayin output stage o kya i AC coupled nyo he he he (labo mo AM). Kc at that price my chassis, preamp at tone control na kyo.

Bro we can try. Pero we need schematics. I am not promising anything pero tama ka nga, if we can improve them then maktulong tayo sa mga meron na nito. Tapos, it can be a good mental exercise... hehehehe.
baka meron ka ng nagawang improvement sa mag to... siguro share mo naman kung pwede. Alam ko some improvements made are confidential or covered by some non-disclosure agreement especially if these improvements were done while working in a company involved in such business. Kung pwede lang...
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« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2009, 12:02:11 PM »
yan sir kay sir woots my scheme bka pwede huminge
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« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2009, 12:07:12 PM »
Wo
yan sir kay sir woots my scheme bka pwede huminge

Woots, pahinge naman ng schematic ng 502. TIA.
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Re: WHICH IS BETTER, 350 watts nominal or 350 watts peak???
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2009, 12:12:09 PM »
Woots, pahinge naman ng schematic ng 502. TIA.

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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2009, 12:19:07 PM »
 suggestion ko sir jan ay:

1. i bandwidth limited cguro 30Khz ok na.
2. ferrite bead sa mga base ng small signal at VAS. Reason minsan kc sir ung mga filter ng mga D/A converter ng mga cheap ntin na mga CD players my ksamang clock signal pa.
3. e2 ndi ko lam pa kung gaano kataas ang slew rate nyan bka pwede din ibaba sa reasonable na level.
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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2009, 12:22:31 PM »
nko wlang VI limiter
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